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Now that the Christmas bills have been paid, time for a new build for resale.

CPU: I have been wanting to try the i3 6100 Skylake. I did a lot of research on how this chip play games and from what I found out, this seems to be a great little chip.

Maybe my new favorite. Just using the stock fan. Temps are as expected, 60C under load but the fan is not that loud.

Motherboard/Ram: I spent a LONG time trying to decide whether to buy the cheapest mobo/ram, nicer mobo or a Z170 mobo and FAST ram in order to OC the 6100. I read where there is a measurable FPS boost with faster ram and then even better with OC. I wanted to stay on a good budget though and for the price of the OC set up, I could have gone with the i5 6500 and cheap mobo/ram combo. I choose the middle ground and got a mid budget motherboard rather than the cheap one. The first one I got from Amazon was clearly a returned mobo and NOT new at all. They replaced it with an overnight delivery but I think I won't buy motherboards from Amazon again. I have heard others having the same concerns. After all that, the price of the Z170 boards dropped $40. I am so disappointed I missed that boat, next time...

Video Card: Was really looking for a good deal on a Radeon 380 or 380x with 4GB VRAM. I do like the GTX 960 but dollar for dollar the 380 wins handily. The only reason I went with this 960 is that I had $150 in Amazon reward points to spend and there were no good deals on 380s :) I am happy with this card though. I got a great score on 3DMark

http://www.3dmark.com/sd/3759277 http://www.3dmark.com/fs/7314515

The PSU came from B-stock Black Friday deal @ $10!

SSD: Black Friday deal leftover as well. It's as fast as the EVO on small files but really bogs down in comparison in big files. It's fine though for a boot drive and 1-2 games.

HDD: Run of the mill 1TB

Case: I spent over a week tormenting over this case lol. Cases have not been on sale and I am used to getting some great deals on cases. I had many picked out but the end cost after adding fans was around $90. I was looking for a sleek case with a window and some lighting at least from the fans. I wanted to avoid Newegg only in that shipping can take over a week if they ship from CA. and I need to get this advertised for sale as soon as possible (I try to get sold before the CC bill comes due). I then came across this case. It had no window, no lights and a no name brand. It did have 3 solid 5 star reviews, sound proofing, PSU shroud, plenty of cable management, 3 fans, card reader and 2 fan controllers. All for $60 free shipping. I figured it would take 10 days to get to me but pulled the trigger anyway. I ordered on Thursday and got it on Friday. The PC Gods must have wanted me to have this case. I will say it is a very nice case. Fractal Design has a bit more polish but just a bit. This has 1 more fan, the card reader and the fan controller for less $$. It also has a fan filter for the top if you want to remove the panels and add more fans. The filter came a little damaged but not too bad. I also don't think there is much room to add fans on top and avoid the CPU power cable. It will be a tight fit for sure. The only con is that the PSU fan filter is not easy to take off/put on but that is pretty minor.

Pet Peeve: why no case badges??? Only intel gives you one anymore. How hard is it to throw a sticker in the box???

Don't say I should have gone with the Radeon 380!

Comments

  • 48 months ago
  • 3 points

Don't say I should have gone with the Radeon 380!

Should have gone with the Radeon 380. JK I have a 960 and love it.

Excellent build, and great choice of parts. +1

  • 48 months ago
  • 1 point

:)

  • 48 months ago
  • 1 point

Thats 2 of us!! I love my 960!

  • 48 months ago
  • 1 point

Many people have labeled the 960 as a "bad card". It is still good card, but not good for the money since the 380 came out.

  • 48 months ago
  • 1 point

It does allow for a 400-430 watt power supply though and you can get a nice seasonic in the $50 range. So if you save $$ there, it evens out I guess.

  • 48 months ago
  • 2 points

what does pic 22 show? I think that this is a very good and capable build well done!!!!!!

  • 48 months ago
  • 1 point

iphone app for sound meter. Running under load, it's reading 31 db which is similar to a library environment.

  • 48 months ago
  • 1 point

Ah right ok cheers

  • 48 months ago
  • 2 points

That Fractal knockoff...i'd buy that if its cheaper than the original still. Nice build overall, if you could return your motherboard at all do it and exchange it for an AsRock or a MSI Z170 motherboard for upgradeability and overclocking, then ofc youd need a CPU Cooler to overclock but it does increase FPS by a lot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXZWLz7enm8

  • 48 months ago
  • 1 point

Yes, Fractal knockoff but a worthy one and a good value. I'd give this a 9/10 to a Fractal Design 10/10. I am not going to return the motherboard, sadly. I don't have cause for it at this time per Amazon's policy. (there is nothing wrong with the board). At the time of purchase, the cheapest Z170 was $118 MSI. The next day, the prices dropped. I am so mad :( I really wanted to OC the i3. I watched that same video.

  • 48 months ago
  • 2 points

That case is a define r5 knock off lol.

  • 48 months ago
  • 1 point

I know but it's OK. Saved me some $$ on a budget build, pass the savings on tot he customer.

  • 48 months ago
  • 2 points

Team green because drivers, I wish I would've waited a month later for skylake..

  • 48 months ago
  • 2 points

Love the budget build! +1 Hows the mobo? I picked the same one for my planned build but I'm a little skeptical?

  • 48 months ago
  • 1 point

at the time, I thought the mobo was a good choice. Now that there are a couple Z170 boards out for $80, there is little reason to go with the B150. I regret now this board but it is solid so far. I did not want to go super cheap on the mobo due to the limited amount of reviews out there. With Z170 boards you can get much faster ram and OC the chip a fair amount. Both those will increase FPS a measurable amount.

  • 48 months ago
  • 1 point

I don't think your video card is the thing I would change. That I3 processor is a serious bottleneck in your system. I think skylake isn't a good gaming solution anyways. It's outstanding for laptops since it offers great integrated graphics, you now basically paid for those. As for gaming the cpu isn't powerful enough for the most demanding games of 2015. Fallout 4 will work, assassins creed syndicate will work but yoru cpu will drop the frame rates by a small amount. Star wars battlefront at 1080p 60fps you won't reach that so for a fps your framerate might not be sufficient enough. Just cause 3 even falls under the minimum cpu requirements giving by the game developpers, even though it will work but probably around 30 ish fps and dips below the 30. As for games coming out in 2016 it will really start to suffer. In 2017 I think for gaming you should definitely change your cpu. I would have opted for a different cpu. The APU A10-7850K Quad-Core is also 119 dollars and has 30% better integrated graphics and only 5% worse cpu performance which just shows that it's nto the best deal. Even though those integrated graphics won't matter with your 960 and it's better to have that 5% better cpu performance it still shows it's not the best component you can get. If I were to use a skylake built I would use this core i3 6100 for mild gaming such as the sims, roller coaster and other less demanding games without opting for a videocard. Since the I3 has 2 work domains low power consumption and good integrated graphics.

  • 48 months ago
  • 5 points

respectfully disagree

  • 48 months ago
  • 2 points

exactly!!

  • 48 months ago
  • 3 points

think skylake isn't a good gaming solution anyways.

It's the latest architecture from Intel. The strongest single core performance.

he APU A10-7850K Quad-Core is also 119 dollars and has 30% better integrated graphics and only 5% worse cpu performance which just shows that it's nto the best deal.

Where are you getting your info?

Single core performance matters in games. Something AMD is lacking in severely until Zen is released.

  • 48 months ago
  • 1 point

It's not because you don't have the sources that I have, that you should start freaking out. I basically work as a database administrator who gets access to collect data from all kind of stuff therefore I have a premium membership on gaming websites who will benchmark every game and will go into the core of every detail of every piece of hardware and make statistics about it. The 5% increase is what they call the better percentage wise gaming computing. People are overhyped about skylake and skylake doesn't bring to the table what many think. The 6th generation CPU line from intel -skylake- doesn't even offer the best single threaded performance, there are a dozen of CPU's even from the 4th iteration having a better single core performance. The reason people opt for skylake is basically for the upgrade to DDR4, and the many extra features the chipset -not the cpu- brings on the table such as DMI 3.0 and additional pci-e lanes for M.2 support and pci-e gen 3 and less TDP. Even though older iterations like the x99 have some of these features too it comes at a far more expensive price. If you don't believe in this bottleneck try it yourself and play just cause 3 at 1080p. You will experience an unenjoyable gameplay, try it out on steam, they work with refunds.

  • 48 months ago
  • 2 points

that you should start freaking out

I never was. If I came off like that, I apologize.

there are a dozen of CPU's even from the 4th iteration having a better single core performance.

Which ones? The increased IPC leads to better single core performance.

  • 48 months ago
  • 1 point

the 4790k as example has a faster single core performance than the 6700k, then for the non k the same applies as well. If you compare some similar budget CPU's you can find a couple as well and then there are some newly coming broadwell-E cpu's that are going to, according to leaks, have a better single threaded performance. A dozen was a bit exaggerated, but there certainly are a couple of them.

  • 48 months ago
  • 1 point

It should be noted that in the USA the 6700k is at a really stupid price right now. So is the 6600k.

  • 48 months ago
  • 1 point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkBJUw_oCxo

this is typical. i3 running at ~90% full load. i5 gives a few more FPS but runs at a lower load, typically 50-60%. GTX 960 is not the same as the 970 in this video but I would expect to turn down some settings based on the 960 not the i3. i3 has been and always will be a decent gaming CPU. Not as good as an i5 but that's why people have budgets.

  • 48 months ago
  • 2 points

I appreciate your feedback our data center isn't able to detect this performance due to the standarized methods of developpers. As it seems the way it is now you're right the i3 can run it at full load with a great fps. However the game developers seem to pretty much deceive the consumer by giving them wrong minimum specifications. I therefore apologize and must congrat you on the good choice of cpu.

  • 48 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks.

  • 48 months ago
  • 2 points

There is no way the i3-6100 is going to bottleneck the 960.

  • 48 months ago
  • 2 points

AMD Fanboys have came in another wave lately...

  • 48 months ago
  • 1 point

Given that you're gonna sell this and actually earn on it, i'm gonna go hard on this.

Even as a heavy Intel/NVidia user, AMD should be your go-to for something in this price range. Intel especially aren't your friends when you're looking for value

If you're going for a build for cheap, you really shouldn't be going with Z170. Mobos cost more, and dear lord is the RAM still expensive as all ****. You really could've saved a lot more and gotten better performance if you'd gone with a Z87 or AM3+ chipset. You'd gotten at least twice the cores (without HT), with a 4460, 4570 or an FX6300, and saved tons on the ram, and letting your system be less bottlenecked by that 6100, plus getting a better graphics card, like, i don't know, a 960 that isn't absolutely tiny, or even a 380X - and a case that isn't a blatant knockoff and comes with better fans.

  • 48 months ago
  • 2 points

I did not go with a Z170 board, though I would have for the same price. I did the number a lot and there was only marginal savings going with Haswell. I paid $40 for the DDR4 ram. DDR3 is only $10 less for the budget stuff. The 960 I got has put up great numbers in benchmarks after I OC a tad compared to every other 960 out. It's only tiny due to being made for smaller builds. And since I paid for it with reward points, that is all profit. I did want a 380/380x but the sales were not there. The only issue I have right now with AMD CPU is the outdated motherboards. I like the 8350 still but the boards are old. The 860k is a nice little budget CPU with newer tech boards but is no comparison the the i3. Plus you really need an after market cooler and overclocking. Intel is my friend in the marketing business though. Why spend $90-100 on a case for a $500 build? Most computers for sale in this price range has real crappy cases and only save $10-20. I could have gone with 5th gen i5, cheap mobo saved $$ and seen better performance, but I did want to try out the new tech. That too is part of my enjoyment. I only make like $50 on these sales anyway. It's a hobby that is fun.

  • 48 months ago
  • 2 points

Don't listen to him. You made a smart choice with the 6100. It smokes AMD and does it cheaper, too. I wouldn't recommend AMD for any price range until Zen arrives. The 6100 and 960 pairing is an excellent match for any game.

  • 47 months ago
  • 1 point

Good job. Bought the same case for my build. It may be a R5 knockoff, but I agree that it's a great one. I got mine when the R5 was over $100 and the Silence had just came available. Even if, an I do stress the 'if', the R5 is better, it's not $50+ better.

I got lucky and got a Z170 board on a Shell Shocker deal for $90 but the B150 you used is still a decent board, and whom ever buys it will have a great rig. +1 from me.

  • 47 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks!

  • 42 months ago
  • 1 point

I have a question about the case since DIYPC customer support is not clearly answering me. I'm trying to build a budget gaming PC for my friend and this case of course checks all the needed boxes for a great price of $60. I can't find any video reviews on this case so if you can help me out I would appreciate it!

Did you have any trouble or recall any of the motherboard screw mounts not being pre-drilled? and the did the case come with standoff screws for the motherboard so the board does not make contact with the case? I heard these are serious issues and is the only reason why I haven't bought this yet.

thanks.

  • 41 months ago
  • 2 points

I had no issues at all. standoffs were in the case with extras in the bag o screws. I don't recall if the standoffs were set up for atx or micro atx from the factory but you just set them up for the mobo you have. It was a great case and now they make one with a windows as well. You will find it on Newegg but not PCpartpicker yet. I totally recommend this case if the Fractal Design version is not on sale.

  • 39 months ago
  • 1 point

So I have two questions for you.

One. Did you use the fan controller if so then did it work properly?(reviews said it didn't work)

Two. where the fans loud?

  • 39 months ago
  • 1 point

It has been a while. The fan controller worked fine, I do not recall the fans being very loud at all. This case also has sound proofing material so your really can't hear anything. I am sure there are better fans on the market but would not feel it necessary to swap them out especially if you are using current technology.

  • 38 months ago
  • 1 point

Ok thanks for your time

  • 39 months ago
  • 1 point

this was pat of my review on Newegg
With fans on high and cpu/gpu under load, my sound meter was reading 31 DB.
that's very quiet :)