Description

With RYZEN 5 being out and about, I decided to pick up the least-expensive chip to see what it could do, especially once I constrain myself to a budget of under $800.

This means a mix of new and used components had to be used, and a pair of recycled components from other builds. That said, I did include purchase prices for all re-used parts when calculating my total.

This build is not intended to serve as a guide on building a proper RYZEN 5 system; If that's what you're looking for, don't bother. This was simply a build to see how cheap you could build a RYZEN box for TODAY...

Now onto the parts justifications...

CPU - Obviously, the RYZEN 5 1400 was the champion of this build.

CPU COOLER - The RYZEN 5 1400 comes bundled with the Wraith Stealth. With a TDP of about 90W, the cooler theoretically allows for some overclocking (with all the R5 chips being 65W units). I know of reviewers who used the stock cooler and reached 3.7GHz, but I wasn't comfortable pushing my chip that far - At 3.5GHz with stock voltage, I found my personal limit, and I didn't want to push any further until I could get both better cooling and a better power supply into this system.

EDIT: I took the CPU to 3.7GHz on stock voltage on the stock cooler. Absolutely no issues as of yet :) Updated benchmarks below.

MOTHERBOARD - Quite literally, I walked into my local computer store, looked at their B350 boards, pointed at the cheapest one, and said, "That one please" - I couldn't be happier. Yes, there are only 2 RAM slots, but that's just fine for a budget rig.

RAM - I'd have picked up a single 8GB stick of 3000/3200MHz RAM to go with this rig, allowing for a future stick to be added, but I recently built Spacebox and the Team Dark RAM in red captured my heart, so I had to get more of it. Sadly, no 8GB@3000MHz kit was available, and I opted for a 2x4GB kit at 2400MHz. I know this kit will hit 2800MHz once I loosen up the timings, so it was of little concern to me. As a recommendation though, buy a single 8GB stick at 3200MHz - you'll thank yourself.

STORAGE - Kingston 240GB SSD + WD Black 1TB HDD - There is no combo more perfect. I'd have loved to go with an ADATA XPG SX8000 M.2 drive to boot from, but I'd have been paying a lot more money for a lot less storage space. The 1TB HDD was recycled from the N.A.G.S. build, as it has all my files on-board. Still included original purchase price though.

GPU - Don't judge me for my love of RX460s ... They're such a good budget card. If the R5 lineup had integrated on-board graphics, I'd have used that. Basically, any modern card would work here, and a GTX 1060 or RX470/480 would have probably been the more logical choice, given the powerful CPU. I happened to find this card for super cheap though, so that's what I'm going with.

CASE - Another recycled part from the N.A.G.S. build, the N200 is a versatile and easy-to-work-in case. I didn't bother putting the drive cage back in after my Athlon Rebuild, so I left the Hard Drive where it was, and pretty much did the same with the SSD. It was super simple working in this case when the actual intended motherboard size was used. Still a 10/10 budget case!

PSU - I found this for sale on Kijiji for $20. Offered the guy $10, he retorted with 15, I accepted. Honestly all there is to it... Any 500+W power supply would have worked just fine, and I was looking at a Corsair CX450M, but ended off going with the Thermaltake because of price and wattage. This unit is fine for now.

BENCHMARKS

Since, for some reason, people have been asking about benchmarks, here they are. I benchmarked in CPU-Z, 3DMark Fire Strike and Sky Diver, and Cinebench R15. In CPU-Z, I also benchmarked the original BIOS (2.0) at stock speeds vs latest BIOS (2.4) at stock and my overclock:

CPU-Z
2.0 BIOS - Stock Speeds
Single threaded score: 1816
Multi threaded score: 8275

CPU-Z
2.4 BIOS - Stock Speeds 
Single threaded score: 1867
Multi threaded score: 8315

CPU-Z
2.4 BIOS - 3.5GHz OC
Single threaded score: 2045
Multi threaded score: 8910

CPU-Z
2.4 BIOS - 3.7GHz OC
Single threaded score: 2256
Multi threaded score: 9217

3DMark Sky Diver (3.5GHz)
15,772 Total
17,611 Graphics
9,723 Physics
18,568 Combined

3DMark Fire Strike Normal (3.5GHz)
4,917 Total
5,444 Graphics
11,730 Physics
1,894 Combined

Cinebench R15 (3.7GHz)
CPU: 802cb
OpenGL: 94.27fps

Yah, not bad at all.

Part Reviews

CPU

For the money, you can't go wrong. I've got mine running at a stable 3.5GHz on stock voltage using the included Wraith Spire. In gaming, it would compare to a recent Intel i5, and once you Overclock it further (given better cooling) it would more than happily match a Kaby Lake i5 in most modern games. ... That said, it destroys it in production tasks, so if you're looking for a budget workstation, this chip right here has your name written on it.

USE FAST RAM WITH THESE CHIPS! 3000MHz OR HIGHER!!

Motherboard

It was the cheapest RYZEN board available at the time I built my budget R5 system - That said, nothing about this board feels "budget" - It has an M.2 slot, it has a killer colour theme that's just the perfect balance of eye-catching and subdued, it has LEDs along the edge which are again perfectly subdued, and it has the PCIex16 slot as the SECOND expansion slot, instead of the first, which - - - You have no idea how useful that it!!

Only disappointments are: only 2 case fan headers aside from the CPU header (would have liked to see 3) and only 2 RAM slots (but whatever, it's enough if you plan for it).

Comments

  • 31 months ago
  • 8 points

Well the wraith cooler definitely looks A LOT nicer than intel's crappy stock coolers.

  • 31 months ago
  • 4 points

The Wraith Max and R7-1700's Wraith Spire look AMAZING! <3 ... They're setting a new standard for what stock coolers should look like XD

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

DANG! I thought that cooler was aftermarket

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  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

Runs a lot cooler too

  • 31 months ago
  • 2 points

Ah, the rare RX 460 in its natural habitat. Beautiful!

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Wow, that CPU is actually quite impressive. I had some internal chatter about upgrading my system and was gonna originally splurge 800 bucks on an unlocked i5 and peripherals and crap, but I'm thinking about a second system so I can game when I'm not at the house with my computer in it and seeing as the Ryzen 5 puts the 6300 to shame for not that much, I'm getting ideas. I like how cheap it is to get a solid mobo too.

  • 31 months ago
  • 2 points

Also nice is that ALL RYZEN CPUs are unlocked, and all current motherboards support overclocking (A/B350 and X370) For the money, the R5 lineup is killing it!

  • 31 months ago
  • 2 points

Yeah, I'm pretty interested in budget multithreaded performance as that's what most of the things I do rely on, think I might shell out $400-500 on a solid Ryzen 5 motherboard/CPU/DDR4 RAM and a nice CPU, throw my FX into a spare HAF912 with an old GTX 570 cause what's peformance per watt, put a hyper 212 evo on the FX, move the Ryzen and PSU into my Air 240 with the RX 480. Then I can actually do things at both places without one of them absolutely stuttering because laptop APU's doh.

Bases covered :3

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Should pick up a 1600 ;) ... That's technically the successor to the FX-6000 series. Doubling your thread count, and pretty much a solid 50% improvement overall once you take into account the new platform.

  • 31 months ago
  • 0 points

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering since my workflow and some games eat 90% of my 6300, if the +35 or +60 ish percent in multithreaded performance will impact that. I think a quad core's OC'd multithread performance will be enough though.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

My benchmarks are up, if you're interested :)

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  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Do you think 8GB DDR4 2400 Dual channel will work?

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

What do you mean? ... It does work, but it's not the ideal setup, because you're then stuck at 8GB with no room to upgrade easily. 2400 is also really slow for RYZEN... 3000+ is what you want.

I only used these two sticks because I love the design, and my N200 is getting a window cut into it soon.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Damn. If I go for 3000+, I'll probably break my $1000 budget (AUD)

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

You should be careful with 3000mhz ram though, because I I'm not sure if they updated this but the last time I checked ryzen doesn't support 3000mhz ram, it'll do fine with 3200mhz though.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

That's a BIOS thing and it was updated pretty quickly.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Ok, thanks for telling me

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Looks pretty neat dude! I sense we'll be seeing more Ryzen builds pretty quick here. +1

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Wraith cooler looks superb.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah that motherboard is really good at the cost. At microcenter ( when they have it in stock, I know they will have it because of their ryzen release ad paper) you can get it for 49.99 if you buy it with a compatible CPU, great deal

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

My prices are all Canadian Dollars :P

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

I want to do a build like this. The same MOBO too. But does it only have 2 SATA ports?

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

No, it has 2 more mounted sideways beside the PCIex16 slot

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Ok. So 4 in total? To bring the price down, I may go Ryzen 3, which is still better than the pentium I had in my old list. Sadly, I won't be able to use the evolv itx. Since OC-able Ryzen boards only come in mATX and ATX under $150.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Yah, 4 in total.

There will be mITX boards with overclocking support out by the time RYZEN 3 launches.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Oh ok. Yay! There are some, but they are enthusiast level boards.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Nope, Gigabyte and Asus are both also working on B350 ITX boards. Regular 'ol mainstream choosers.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Biostar also already revealed their X370 and B350 ITX boards:

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=878

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

You could have went for 16GB but considering you went for an RX 460, it's unlikely you'd be playing high-end games like Deus Ex: Mankind Divided anyway.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Most games won't ask for over 8GB anyways - I do have a pair of 16GB DIMMs in my 1700 build if I REALLY wanted to overbuild the rig, but remember that this is supposed to be a budget build :P

I also did say in the write-up that using just one stick of 8GB would be better as you could upgrade to 16 easily.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah, and with that 460 I don't expect him to play the highest-end games like Deus Ex: Mankind Divided and Ghost Recon Wildlands :P

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

460 can play both of those games on average settings... Not everything has to be cranked to ultra to be enjoyable.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

At high 1080p Mankind Divided runs at around 35 fps, which is quite a bit below what I'd consider enjoyable. A 470 at those same settings which you can get for a similar price these days if you know where to look, runs it in the mid 50s. Wildlands, I don't even know but on my 1050 Ti I got about 40 at very high, 900p in the bta.

  • 31 months ago
  • 2 points

Drop down to medium then - Jesus.

And if you can find an RX470 for $130CAD I'll be super impressed.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Turn MSAA off, FXAA, and turn settings to medium, I have a 960m in a laptop which is probably worse than the 460. Sure 35 may not be the best but don't forget consoles are locked at 30, so as long as you're not picky it's still definitely playable. In a budget build you're not looking for high performance, you're just looking to actually play the game. I've played games at 30-40 fps on that and it's really not bad depending on the game. 60 is way better and 144 is awesome but you don't need it to play the game

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Magnificent build, I love that micro ATX chassis, compact and very well cooled. You should improve the memories at minimum 2933mhz. Congratulations great work you enjoy it.

Sorry for my bad english.

  • 31 months ago
  • 2 points

I ordered a 2x8GB kit of 3400MHz RAM - while I doubt it will sustain 3400MHz, it will be an option for the future.

The 4GB sticks are there just for now.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Can you OC with that board?

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Yes, B350 can OC just fine.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

let me re-word that, how well can you OC with it, I always hear that Micro ATX boards don't OC that well.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

That's a load of bull XD

An mATX, ATX and ITX board will overclock identically if they are built the same way. This may not be the best board out there, but if I used the best of the best, I MIGHT get an extra 50-100MHz out of the chip. :) Not worth going X370 if you only want to OC - you go X370 if you want Dual-GPUs

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

lol is this copied from techsource

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Ummmmmm... Are you talking about his 1500X build? ... Literally the only part we used that was the same was the MSI motherboard, and since it's the cheapest AM4 MoBo currently​ that's pretty much a given... I also managed to squeeze an SSD in there ;) - and I went with an RX460 because I knew the 500 series would be launching soon. RX580 going in next week, along with a new-new PSU (since the 650W unit I had waiting for it was a DOA :( )

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

I'm sorry man i was just asking a question

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Nice build,Did you have to update the bios or did it just work.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

It worked just fine out of the box, but I couldn't really hold a stable overclock on the fresh BIOS - after the update it was much better, and even at stock speeds, performance increased (as shown in my benchmarks)

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Great build man! One question, how many fan headers does the MoBo have? (not including the cpu cooler fan header)

  • 31 months ago
  • 2 points

2+1 - I had a leftover 4-fan hub from the Maelstrom so I am currently using that, and feeding it 5V from an unused USB header to keep it super quiet.

5 fans in all and I can barely hear it under my desk.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

When you say '2+1' are you saying two PWM and one 3-pin header?? I spy the two PWM headers, one above the top PCIe 1x slot and one in the bottom left so my question, I suppose, is, does it also have a 3-pin header I'm missing or did you mean the CPU fan header?? My current rig has one PWM and one 3-pin and it's annoying af...

  • 31 months ago
  • 2 points

No, I meant 2 chassis headers and one CPU header - sorry for the confusion. They're all 4-pin PWM

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Sorry, I just saw your review of the mobo under its product page specifying that there are two case fan headers. Really helpful of you to have posted pics and actually the product info you gave is better than amazon and many other sites and it cuts all the advertising too! great help, thanks a bunch!

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Nice build man! Do you think ADATA XPG Z1 3000 MHz 8gb DDR4 will work with that mobo? I love the look, but I fer for compatibility...

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

By now almost all 2133-3300MHz RAM should work just fine - At 3000MHz, you're good, especially with a company like Adata.

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

Nice build. One correction - the cooler of Ryzen 5 1400 is 45W Wraith Stealth. Wraith Spire only comes with 65W CPUs like 1500x, 1600 and 1700.

Also, the maximum advisable overclock on all cores for Ryzen 5 1400 is 3.45GHz - cpu-world Everything above that is pushing it.

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

Where does it state that? It's the exact same cores as all other Ryzen parts.

I hit 3.7 on the stock cooler at stock voltages (yes stealth, should update that one day) with no issues and am waiting for my Maelstrom AM4 upgrade kit to ship so I can watercool it and bring it further. Will aim for 4.0-4.2

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

Can I stream E sports with a build like this?

  • 30 months ago
  • 2 points

Should have no problem, but I'd upgrade the GPU if you were serious about it: a used GTX-970 would be better performance for about the same money, if you can find it.

Not required, just a suggestion. Otherwise, with the 1400's 4 cores and 8 threads, something like Xsplit or OBS will have no problem streaming and keeping respectable framerates in games. Do Overclock though... Makes a big difference.

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks buddy! I really appreciate your time man!! :D

  • 29 months ago
  • 1 point

Hows the ram holding up? Am looking to make a build soon using the same brand

  • 29 months ago
  • 1 point

Had an issue with one stick coming in DOA (I bought them as two single sticks because that's all they had) but TEAM Group were great at getting me a new one. Since then, they've been super stable. There are now 8GB sticks at 3000MHz which I'd recommend over these, and I intend to pick up a pair soon myself.

  • 29 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks for the info i was looking at the 16GB 3000mhz kit there the best/lowest price kit i could fine, since ram prices being as it is now

  • 28 months ago
  • 1 point

Any recommendations on sound cards if I want excellent sound quality on my speakers?

  • 28 months ago
  • 1 point

Onboard sound is already amazing so try that first. If you want better, go with an external DAC+AMP from someone like FiiO as they're usually a better alternative to internal Soundcards

If you want to go with a soundcard though, the Sound BlasterX AE-5 is really the only one worth getting due to that AMAZING dual amp design!

  • 28 months ago
  • 1 point

Hey, does this motherboard have Ethernet or wifi built in? Thanks, great build btw!

  • 28 months ago
  • 1 point

Almost all motherboards have built-in Ethernet. This on has gigabit ethernet. No built-in WiFi though: You will see that more in mITX boards.

  • 28 months ago
  • 1 point

Ah ok thanks!

  • 25 months ago
  • 1 point

Im glad to see you bumped up to 3.7 ghz since writing the comment that brought me here! I was gonna tell you the Wraith should handle 3.7-3.8 with little to no sweat. As impressive as the 460s are for the price, stretching for a 1050 ti would be a pretty significant boost for not much more...or even the 560, with it's extra cores. A 570 or 1060 would make it pretty beastly at 1080p. Sound build though...especially for what's invested.

  • 25 months ago
  • 1 point

Im glad to see you bumped up to 3.7 ghz since writing the comment that brought me here! I was gonna tell you the Wraith should handle 3.7-3.8 with little to no sweat. As impressive as the 460s are for the price, stretching for a 1050 ti would be a pretty significant boost for not much more...or even the 560, with it's extra cores. A 570 or 1060 would make it pretty beastly at 1080p. Sound build though...especially for what's invested.

  • 25 months ago
  • 1 point

I unlocked the 460 - so it performs exactly like a 560 - and I got a great deal on the 460; wouldn't even be able to pick up a 1050 for it at the time.

  • 23 months ago
  • 1 point

Hey. What did you mean in the mobo comment you made about the pciex as a second expansion slot being beneficial. Sorry. Curiosity as I will be building with this mobo as a first time with 1600.

Thanksss.

  • 22 months ago
  • 1 point

Sorry for the late reply - when you have the x16 as the second slot down, you can fit larger tower coolers easier:

I've sometimes had issues with installing large tower coolers alongside a card with a backplate if the x16 slot is the first slot. The cooler would push against the back of the card rather firmly, so I try to avoid that... Most motherboards have the x16 slot as the second lane now though.

  • 23 months ago
  • 1 point

very nice

  • 17 months ago
  • 1 point

nice build, did the motherboard you used support your Ryzen 5 1400 out the box? or did you need to do the bios update?

  • 16 months ago
  • 1 point

Ryzen 1xxx series are the first generation and ALL AM4 motherboards will support them. It worked out of the box. With the Ryzen 2xxx series, you may need to update the UEFI to get it to work. AMD still sends the boot kits I believe, if you need to get the BIOS updated.

  • 31 months ago
  • 0 points

I recommend you overclock the CPU to at least 3.7GHz. With a 3.7GHz OC it can compete with an i5 7500.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

You probably didn't read the paragraph where I explained I didn't want to push the CPU further without better cooling... I'm waiting for DeepCool to release an AM4 kit for the Maelstrom so I can mount mine on the motherboard.

With a 240mm liquid cooler and the RM650X I've got sitting in my closet, I'll feel comfortable pushing it. The goal will be 4.0GHz.

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah sorry, I must have skipped that, but yeah with better cooling you should be able to get that sweet 4.0GHz. Go for it.

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  • 25 months ago
  • 1 point

The board can hold 2 sticks - I mentioned that.

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  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

For the most part XD - And yah, I'm always searching on Kijiji for good deals... Much better than Craigslist :)

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  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

I'll do some today ... Didn't think anyone would be interested...

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  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

Well... This is budget tho. Didn't think anyone would wanna see gaming scores that low :P XD

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

First set of benchmarks are up - doing 3DMark now

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  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

?? Huh?

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  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

When I get home from work today I'll do a few.

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  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

First ones are up now - doing 3DMark now...

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