I actually play with VSync on for less demandingh title. It puts less of a strain on the GPU, doesnt make it push 200-300 frames which is twice what my monitor doesnt need and makes the GPU run hotter than needed for no reason. I just let it push a consistant 144 frames. I turn V-Sync off when I play an AAA game where I cannot get consistant 144frames and/or when I do not reach the 144 fps mark.
I could probably update my build list since the GPU was updated to an RTX 2080 FTW3 Ultra but thats about it. My 2 monitors are also listed in my response.
Aside from the aforementioned cooler upgrade, what were your goals here?
What resolution and refresh rate are you aiming for?
What kind of programs/games are you planning to run?
Looks like a neat little case, hope it works out for you since there are quite a few people who likes the smaller sized builds.
I run an RTX 2080 and an I7-8700K as my current build and bottleneck is inevitable. For the most part, my GPU is bottlenecking my CPU, meaning my CPU could output more frames but the GPU doesn't have more to give.
As reference, I have a 4K 60hz IPS Dell monitor (U2718Q) and a 1440p 144hz TN G-Sync Dell Monitor (S2716DG) and in both cases, the CPU could definitely do more than the GPU allows. Do note that even if I lowered the settings of the GPU and/or OCed it, I am already pretty much all time at the frame rate limit my monitors support so theres really no point.
The real question you should ask yourself is is my monitor requiring a beefy CPU to push a high amount of frames and is my GPU able to support it at the resolution I picked?
This is the only question you should ask yourself, not whether your build will have potential bottlenecks because all builds do.
I tried Shadowplay for about 8 hours, Anthem had a stable 90fps, Path of Exile had 144fps all the time and MTG Arena had no issues (not that I expected any). I was using 1080p 60fps (Ultra setting).
Anthem does use 5-6GB of RAM though so people with lower RAM amount will have issues and my 8700K with MCE enabled was being driven to 65-80%.
I will try it this weekend and elt you know.
Not just fast, super massive and really cool.
it is also barely audible which is nice.
It is likely due to the fact that the new Ryzen cpus are about to come out which will likely result in new models to support them without a BIOS update. If you are not in a rush, I would wait a bit and see what the new models actually have to offer.
As far as UEFI goes, Asus and MSI are pretty user friendly and straightforward. However, the Gigabyte UEFI allows to mroe granular controls when it comes to frequency for overclocking, resulting often in a bit more performance since you are not locked to the same ratio than others.
This applies to the X470 Ultra Gaming and Gaming 5 where you can change the base clock ratio by 0.01 values. which is something other manufacturers do not offer.
Depends on the games and settings you want to use.
I recently acquire an EVGA RTX2080 FTW3 Ultra and even in Anthem, it maintains a 90+ frame caps in the most intense of moments while the settings are all at high. To further clarify, I am using the Dell S2716DG monitor with an I7-8700K and 32GB of 3466 RAM on the Z370 Maximus X Hero motherboard with an H150i Pro for CPU cooler.
Less demanding titles like Diablo 3 and Path of Exile for example easily reach 200+ frames and something like CS:GO and LoL will likely hit either a software cap or a CPU bottleneck but past that many frames its rather irrelevant.
Highest OC is very subjective as it is silicon lottery based.
That being said, the top binned chips are usually the flagship products like the MSI Lightning, the EVGA Kingpin, the Asus Matrix and other similar expensive models.
It should work yes.
Check the version of the software used by MSI. It will sometimes list the requirement of having a certain BIOS update or better for compatibility.
Aside from this, it should not be an issue.
That would be false.
To clarify, the G.Skill website has these listed as compatible with AUra Sync from Asus, Mystic Light from MSI, RGB Fusion from Gigabyte and Polychrome Sync from ASRock.
You sometimes need the latest version of drivers from the motherboards manufacturers but they should be compatible.
Here is the website for the same type of RAM (not the exact same model) which shows the icons for these RGB software towards the bottom of the page.
Then my list above also stands.
Do note that less demanding titles like CS:GO or League of Legends would work just as fine with the GTX 1060 or a RX580 for 100+ fps as well.
If you want to play at the highest settings though, my list above still stands (GTX 1070ti, 1080, Vega 56 or the RTX 2070).
If you dont mind going to the used market, the GTX980, gtx 980ti, R390X could work as well but they arent as efficient as the new cards and they will usually run louder and warmer as well.
Aside from what has been said, you can also just forgo the front panel USB headers and use the ones straight on the motherboard at the back of your case. I personally use a Razer keyboard that also includes pass through for USB devices which is more than fine in 99% of cases as well.
I must say not having cables protruding out of the font of the case does make for a more aesthetically pleasing look as well.
The real questions is what resolution and what framerate will your monitor be running at?
If you plan on running a 1080p 60fps monitor at max details, a GTX 1060 or a RX580 is more than fine.
If you plan on going for 1440p 60fps or 1080p 100fps+, then a GTX 1070ti, 1080, Vega 56 or the RTX 2070 are good choices.
There is always the Thermaltake Core P3/P5 cases and the others from this line.
Note that I would recommend water cooling such a powerful and beefy cards for vertical mounting though.
I would actually suggest a Ryzen 7 1700. Its pretty much on par with the 2700 model and it is much cheaper right now ($169 USD vs $250 USD) it just isnt as efficient as its 2700 counterpart.
The X models usually indicate a higher binned silicon chip usually allowing the CPU to run at slightly higher core clocks when your overclock for slightly less voltage but the different are often minimal.
The CPU itself is compatible with DDR4 2666 RAM but you can get higher speed RAM through your motherboard. The ZXXX models usually offer support for faster speeds (3000+) although the higher you go in speed, the more chance you have of having issues although Intel as much less isues with extremely fast RAM when compared to Ryzen CPUs.
Memory aside, is there any specifc reason you are looking at the 9600K?
For less money than the cost of the 9600K' you can actually get a Ryzen 7 2700 with 2 more physical cores and the benefit of hyperthreading over the 9600K.
I use the H150i Pro at the moment and its fariyl quiet even with an I7-8700K with only the MCE activated into the BIOS. It barely starts ramping up after extended hours of more CPU intensive tasks.
The ML120 Pro are actually extremely powerful fans and should not give you any problem. They actually have a higher H20 rating than the stock fans provided and shouldnt give you less cooling performance, it would actually be the opposite.
Note that the ML120 Pro arent the same as the ML120 or the ML140 in terms of performance though.
Just to add to things already said, AMD cpus and motherboards do not have a RAM multiplier for 3000 speed for RAM. it will run at 2933 maximum and not at 3000. You can get 3200 RAM for its full speed but 3000 will be slightly downgraded.
Do note that AMD CPUs are by definition slower than their Intel counterparts but their increase core counts makes them more viable at multitasking causing a much lower loss of performance while streaming and often better stream quality on the receiving end of the stream.
Looks like your GPU is running only up to 90% while your CPU reaches 100%. You might have a tiny bit more performance available in the GPU but its doubtful that it will make a meaning difference.
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VR games are more like playing a game on 2 monitors. The monitors in the case of VR are the 2 lenses and the headset will display a set amount of images at a fixed resolution. This means your GPU must be able to push the amount of frames at the proper resolution x 2 and the CPU must be able to display them both.
There is a widerange of headsets and resolutions in games so it is hard to quantify but generally speaking, the higher the resolution, the higher the amount of frame the less likely a game will give you motion sickness.
In these titles, it likely would yes.
For example, Civilzation & City Skylines are games that relies more heavily on CPU. In these titles, your CPU will matter a lot more.
Since your GPU is running at 100%, it would not increase your performance. If your GPU was running at 60% though, you would definitely gain some performance.
Not always. When you get a stronger GPU, people will usually increase the settings meaning the GPU is taxed more than before so you do not necessarily get more frames as a result.
Generally speaking, lower settings and resolution results in more frame rates but to push more frames, your CPU must be able to handle more and more work which a 6100 might have problems doing due to having only 2 cores even if it technically has 4 with hyper threading.
This does not mean your CPU is bad or anything but just something to keep in mind.
Then that means your PC is running to the maximum potential it can. This also means if you wanted to upgrade the GPU, you would need a stronger CPU to get more performance from it, at least in this title.
Not all titles are properly coded/optimized so the result you have in Forza 4 might not be the same in all games.
GPU. If it is running at 100%, it means the rest of your parts could handle more. When your GPU is running at 50% but your CPU at 100%, then you would need a stronger CPU if you wanted to make use of all the rest of the performance the GPU could give you.
What matters in the end if whether or not you are happy with the performance you are getting.
If the resolution/settings/framerate is fine for you, it should not be any concern but if you are playing on high and would like ultra or a higher and more concistent framerate for example, going for a stronger GPU would be possible provided that your CPU isnt alos always running at 100%.
I use a GTX 1080 with an 8700K and aside from a few CPU heavy games, nothing really pushes my CPU over 35% and it isnt even overclocked, its just using the MCE setting in the BIOS.
If you were planning on streaming, I would recommend a 9900K but otherwise, the 8700K is more than sufficient. I am personally on the fence about the lack of hyperthreading on the 9700K. it will run hotter than the 8700K but its doubtful you would need more cores.
Well this technically means the GPU is a bottleneck for his PC since he runs it at 100% unless the rest of the build is also running at 100%. He could get more frames/better resolution/better settings with a more powerful one but if he is fine the results he gets its definitely not a cause for concern.
No. If you notice a delay between your movements with the mouse and what is on your screen there could be 2 things happening.
1) Your PC is producing an inconsistant framerate meaning you have stutters which can delay your movements from showing on your screen but higher framerate makes it smoother and can give you a bit of an edge provided your CPU, GPU and monitor support it
2) Your monitor has an input delay meaning every action you take will be shown with a delay and theres not much that can be done to fix this aside from changing the monitor to a better one
I tried one before but it wasnt my thing. That being said, it will help preserve your floors & carpet and it isnt a bad investment.
Vertagear and DX Racer are brands I would recommend although for different reasons.
Vertagear has really nice comfortable chairs made for proper support with some of these chairs having over 1000 parts for the best comfort possible but theyre really expensive.
DX Racer has the most amount of options for size, height, weight, materials (both in and on the chair) and they have really good customer service from my experience.
Secret Lab also offer a lot of high quality chairs as well.
The correct way to look for a chair is to look at one that supports your height and weight and then select the type of material and cushioning you prefer and see which of these fits in your budget. I would not go by brand or looks specially if you spend a lot of time sitting in it.
Do note that chairs with a higher parts count will be more expensive but will also allow for a much more precise range of adjustments for your back and everything.
If you dont need anything specific, try starting with stock, the 9700K is a prety powerful CPU without an OC.
If you notice that you are running the CPU at 90% usage or so, go into your Z390 motherboard's BIOS and see if there are any presets and start from there by down tuning the voltage and seeing how low you can get it.
Depending on the titles/settings you play, the RX 580 should be able to push over 60fps in a lot of titles at 1080p making a 75-144hz monitor a decent acquisition.
If you could stretch the budget a bit, I would recommend the Nixeus - NX-VUE24A which is a great 1ms 144hz TN monitor with freesync capacity. It will allow you to go as high as your build allows and Freesync will ensure it remains stutter free even if it doesnt reach 144hz.
It happens to runs about 30C over the Aorus Master and reaches temperatures that hover 100C for the components as a result of the poor VRM design.
Defenitely not something I would recommend.
Why not go for a Z390 motherboard and avoid any incompatibility issue with BIOS updates if you upgrade to a 9900K?
Something like the Gigabyte Aorus Ultra is well suited to OC your 8700K and even a 9900K and its not terribly overpriced.
Just be sure to avoid the Z390 Maximus Hero from Asus, it was underdesigned with a simple 4 phases and it runs much hotter and OCs pretty badly compared to other motherboards in the Z390 crowd.
The Gigabyte motherboards are the best of the crop in the Z390 territory. Asus went with 4 phases on their Hero (it makes no sense) and while MSI isnt too bad, it doesnt far as well as Gigabyte's designs and it is more expensive.
Hardware Unbox made a nice video comparing the models and budget you should be aiming at with a 9900K and it is easy to see which one is the best here.
Both coolers are pretty good. Its more a matter of preference and installation then anything at this point.
AIOs are far less bulky and easier to install and have a tendancy to offer better astethics than air coolers but they are more expensive as well for the same performance as comparable air coolers.
While pump failures still occurs (I read your previous comments), its not as common as it used to be and Over my last 5 years using AIOs, I never had a single failure myself.
Corsair's software is also fairly decent for controlling the AIO. I use the H150i Pro in my current build and its dead silent.
What are your goals in terms of resolution for your PC?
Seeing a 1060, I assume 1080p at max settings?
If so, you are overshooting quite far for this. Even if you are planning to go with 1440p or 4K, as long as you aim for 60-100 fps, I would pick a Ryzen CPU over an Intel. They are cheaper, can be overclocked on cheaper motherboards and comes with better amounts of threads for multitasking at a much lower price.
As a result, you could be saving a decent chunk of cash over going with an Intel build which will basically provide you with the same performance in the end.
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The stock cooler is more than fine for a Ryzen CPU and can even handle some overclocking although if you want less noise and/or better thermals, You could get an aftermarket cooler like a Cryorig m9a.
Depending how long you had your PSU, getting a new one would not be a bad idea. Furthermore, with the money saved from going with a Ryzen CPU over an Intel one, you could buy your new PSU, a case and an aftermarket cooler.
As Root_User emntionned, you should go for the Z370 version of the Prime-A or one of the Strix (the feature sets are slightly different). The 8700K is a good CPU for fast refresh monitors in games but unless you are streaming and/or recording your gameplay, you would pretty do just as fine with an I5-8600K but the 8700K is definitely a stronger CPU.
I use the 8700K as my main CPU right now with a 1080 and even on my 1440p 144hz monitor, it rearely even reach 50% usage with only the MCE function enabled.
The Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master looks like a beast. its VRM is well designed and it surpasses pretty all but the highest of the motherboard models the Z390 platform has to offer. The looks isnt bad either and the motherboard includes a decent DAC for sound output as well as several connections for m.2 drives and decent spacing in case you want to SLI some of these new RTX cards.
It's a shame Asus went with a simple 4 phases design on the Maximus Hero for the Z390 platform as it runs much hotter than any other motherboards on the market around its price point.
The answer to your questions depends on the resolution and framerate you aim to play at. For most builds, even a GTX 1080 is more then plentiful and without knowing exactly what you aim to play on, it's hard to really say for sure what is the best fit for your goal.
The 2080ti is by far the best performing card if you are aiming for 4K ultra settings but the 2080 is no slough being equivalent to a 1080ti is pretty good on its own but to maintin 60fps in 4K, you have to manually tweak your graphical settings.
if you aren't aiming for 4K ultra or to play only AAA demading titles, it's likely all of the above will actually be overkill.
Gilroar is right. The most likely culprits for this is either your case limiting the size of the card you can fit inside, the power supply not having enough connectors for the graphics card (some require 3 8 pin connectors) or possibly the spacing of the motherboard if you have other PCIe devices.
It reminds me of the GTX 10 series launch. Some will remember that some board partners had changed the manufacturer for the GDDR5X RAM on some of the models causing issues like this. Early adopters always have issues. This is true for any products. Always wait until the early bugs are fixed before buying anything.
I used an H100i v2 for almost 2 years on my first PC build and never had any issue.
I would strongly recommend the H115i for the 8700K though as it does run really hot (keeping mine cooled with the H150I Pro which is close to dead silent).
If you are in the UK, there was a limited edition of the Evolv with partially meshed panels on the front and top.
The Thermaltake View 71 seems to fit your needs. Its a nice case enclosed in glass with suprisingly good thermal performance and it looks stunning.
Theres an RGB version with 3 Riiing fans installed and one slightly cheaper without the riiing version of the fans.