3200mhz at CL14 with tight timings will deliver comparable performance to 3600mhz CL16 with similar timings. The Ryzen RAM speed stuff is overblown. It doesn't make as much of a difference as people claim; we're talking a couple frames at best for gaming and marginally faster application/workload completion times. Unpopular opinion I suppose, but I'm tired of hearing about it. Zen 2 is matured now and the issues/differences aren't as prevalent as they were in Gen 1. For your uses it sounds like you would definitely benefit more from having 32gb.
You need multiple monitors? If one is the primary 'gaming' monitor and the others are general office monitors for multitasking then it can be done. However, if you're wanting a 2-3 multi monitor setup for the gaming itself (say, racing games or movies and such) then I don't think it will fit in your budget at all. Decent monitors aren't cheap and having 3 of them will blow the budget - even before you consider the graphics card horsepower required to run them.
Would you be fine starting with one monitor? And any size preferences? 24'' or 27''?
Well, you want to keep it open for future upgrades, but I do believe you could save a decent chunk of cash by going with a 750w PSU instead. Components are trending on the side of becoming more efficient; I really find it unlikely you'd ever need more so that's up to you. You've already got a high-end rig right here.
Aside from that, you could consider waiting a month for the custom partner cards of the 5700 XT to come out. While they're a tad bit slower than the 2070 Super, once we see something hit the market aside from the horrendous blower designs, the gap between the two cards may get even closer. This is something to consider if you wanted to save over $100 bucks.
Only other possibilities I see are to buy a cheaper case and monitor. Same specs and functionality, of course. I'm sure there's a handful out there and you could watch sales.
No problem, glad I could help. There's certainly a market for the closed-loop water coolers and I understand why people like them, but frankly I only focus on value and performance. This is especially true in reasonable budget builds where you've got to ask yourself 'do I need this, or would my money be better spent elsewhere in the system?' If you decide to buy one of those some day then you might as well get a 240mm or 280mm unit. The smaller 120mm coolers hardly deliver cooling better than budget air coolers. But yes, absolutely, the stock 2600X cooler AMD sells is viable enough. Have a good one and take it easy.
They're $85 and $95 dollars each, correct? If so, I do not think it is worth it. I don't think any closed-loop coolers are worth the cost. The H60 and H75 look nice, but why would you spend almost $100 dollars on something that doesn't even cool the processor as well as a $60 dollar air cooler? The Corsair H60 delivers performance comparable to a CM Hyper 212 air cooler which costs about $35 bucks.
If you're after aesthetics and want the build to look nice then by all means go for it, but be aware you are not paying for something that delivers performance that warrants the cost. I'd save the money and put it elsewhere in your build - or spend some of that money on a higher end air cooler which will cool the processor better. If I was you, I'd strongly recommend saving your money or going for one of these air coolers if you want it to look nice and deliver good performance too:
Also, I'll share my girlfriend's computer build because it used the Noctua cooler. Noctua has a Chromax lineup and they sell covers and accessories for these coolers to make them look nice. You can choose from a variety of colors. Here's the example: https://pcpartpicker.com/b/83D2FT
Changed a few things.
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X470 is unnecessary, especially at that price. Saved you a good chunk of money by going with arguably the best B450 on the market.
Went with slightly faster RAM for only a few extra bucks.
Updated to the newer model of your EVGA PSU.
All of that cut some of the cost down for you due to the 'board swap. Overall your new computer is looking great!
Looks good, but I'd change it to this:
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Better cooler for your processor. That 120 closed-loop isn't impressive.
Faster RAM for only a couple extra bucks.
Replaced the Samsung Evo with a NVME Crucial. Double the capacity, it's faster, and it costs less.
Replaced your power supply with a cheaper one. You don't need 750w.
Better performance for less cost than you originally had.
I was the oldest of 3 boys so there isn't enough space in this chat or time in the day to cover everything haha. Most notable ones:
Got a scar under my chin from a moronic attempt at standing on the front pegs of my bike while going downhill. Smashed my face on the asphalt and to this day there is a small patch directly under my chin where no beard hair will grow around/through that scar.
Small scar that now feels more like a buildup of tissue/calcium deposit on my back from the middle brother shooting me with a blow dart gun because I threw something at his Kristen Stewart (spelling?) poster during a fight. I got him back one day when I punched him in the jaw after he had already fractured it from playing baseball. Might've crossed the line in hindsight, but we're all alive and well to this day haha.
Scars on both knees. One from slipping in a shower and sliding it across the rails that the doors slid on and the other from being tackled in street football against the curb.
Youngest brother has a scar on his head from a dirt clod war. Only problem was one of the clods had a rock in it. Also a nice burn scar on one of his palms from touching the exhaust on my dad's motorcycle.
... yeah, I could go on for hours. Good times. Growing up without brothers and a dad who often encouraged the wrestling and wild shenanigans probably would've made me weaker than I am today.
No problem. Good luck and enjoy your new build!
Be truly honest? You got it. The Corsair H100 is completely unnecessary and it's a waste of the budget. You can get any mid-range air cooler for about half the cost that can easily handle a 2600X. I don't like the case you've chosen, particularly because it has a top mounted PSU and as a result doesn't seem to have top exhaust fans. There are better designs out there for the price. Lastly, the keyboard is probably on the cheaper side when it comes to its quality and you could probably get RAM about $20 bucks cheaper than what your current kit is going for.
Other than that, I think it looks great!
Looks good. Go for a slightly better PSU as Test19 pointed out and maybe consider a cheaper case? Beyond that, the only other thing you could consider is a cheaper motherboard or going with something like an RX 5700 XT for some more savings. As it is currently, you've got a solid bang-for-the-buck system.
550w is plenty. Here's a gold rated semi for the same cost as the one you have listed currently.
Both of them would be good options and you're right that Unreal Engine 4 favors Nvidia. Still though, the 580 is a faster graphics card and I'm not sure the 970 could outperform it even with the advantage it gets from running on Fortnite's engine. Plus, the 580 is brand new while the 970 is refurbished. Completely up to you! They're both being sold for reasonable prices and will deliver solid performance in the games you wish to play.
This is phenomenal work. I'd say it turned out exactly as you planned; professional and simple with an industrial look. I hope your build gets featured because it's gonna go down as one of my favorites I've seen around here. Would be well deserved. Also, you oughta consider selling a chassis mod like this to people as a side project. Hell, I might send you the money right now haha!
580 listing looks great! Good price on the 1060, too, but its condition doesn't look as promising. Pretty dirty and dusty which raises a few red flags for me. When someone doesn't take the time to clean an item they wish to sell it leaves me with the impression they didn't care for the item very well. Could just be me, though.
Brand new 570 for $98 bucks with free shipping:
Used 580 for $110 with free shipping:
I checked 580s, 1050 Ti's, 980s, and 1060s. None were available for under $100 after shipping. Plus, the cheapest ones seemed to be of questionable quality from not very reputable sellers.
While it's not an Nvidia card as you prefer, the 570 is an amazing deal for anything less than $130 bucks and especially at that $98 dollar tag. That's the best I could find.
I use Ebay all the time. Fees are getting ridiculous, but it's still my preferred place to go.
There's no other Micro I'd recommend more than that Mortar so yep, thumbs up. Good that it fits in his budget too. And yes, Dimitris21, you could squeeze 16gbs into your budget as well.
I understand exactly how you feel. It's for that reason that I've remained hesitant about trying to dive into this field for work. I can barely tolerate trying to walk someone through the process of removing junk extensions they've got running on their browsers. Mind you, 'it's never their fault!'. It amazes me how some people can manage to jack their systems up so badly. I think some passions should remain one's own hobby rather than a career.
I think the 2700X will practically melt that budget Gigabyte motherboard even at stock settings. Just some friendly criticism; I would strongly recommend going for a better one.
Great looking build, looks very clean! Curious though, how does the glass "explode in your hand"? I've built two fractal rigs with the glass panels.
They're not much of a risk - the few that have been were shredded to bits in reviews and you'd know right away. That said, it's hard to consider them an "upgrade" as you say in terms of their cooling, but go for it if that's your thing aesthetically speaking. Personally think they're a waste of money.
Alright, so here's what I got. Honestly tried to save you a bit of money by sticking with a 1080p resolution and a 1660 Ti. I don't think you need to spend anywhere near $2k to get the performance you're after, but I didn't cut corners anywhere either.
So, stuck with the Asus and Corsair theme for ya. The 2600X is very cheap right now and ready to be paired with any video card you want to throw at it. I chose the 1660 Ti because it is fairly reasonably priced and a very strong card for high refresh rate 1080p gaming. You could opt to wait for partner models of AMD's RX 5700 to come out as these will be the better deal - or alternatively spend more money and look at something along the lines of a RTX 2070 or 5700 XT. I would only recommend more GPU horsepower if you intend to play on a 1440p resolution, though. This is your call. I added this Asus monitor specifically because it's a 27'' that is both FreeSync (AMD) and G-Sync (Nvidia) compatible and it's 144hz. You'll be good to pair any video card you want with that thing. I then added 1tb of Crucial P1 NVME SSD storage and a standard SATA SSD as backup.
The Corsair fans are placeholders for price. You choose what you want, what colors, and so on for the case you pick.
The Corsair case is a placeholder for price as well. Any standard ATX will work. Up to you. I really like this one.
Keyboard, mouse pad, and mouse are placeholders for price.
Also wasn't sure if you needed to include the cost of your OS, speakers, or a headset so keep that in mind.
Oh, and 750w PSU because it was currently cheaper than the 650w.
Personally, if I was you, I'd either go for a modest system with most of the money being invested into the video card and processor or go all out. I really think you can hit the performance you're after for around $1500.
Great. How about storage? Think 2tb sounds good? A 2k budget is pretty flexible but the overall cost will largely depend on whether you want those framerates on a 1080p monitor or 1440p. That'll shake up the cost quite a bit.
Intel or AMD, or no preferences? Good options for both. Also, strictly gaming or do you intend to stream or video edit and such? Working on a list for you right now.
Thank you for being the first person I've seen offer a reasonable, true response to this question that has been popping up a lot lately. I'm an AMD guy, but it'd be misguided to blindly recommend the 3900X for any streaming or workload applications. It is better overall, yes, but there are still applications that favor Intel's clock speed advantages and frankly for most users neither chip would make a noticeable enough difference anyway. On the other hand, it'd be equally as misguided for people to blindly recommend the 9900K 'for gaming' when the differences between the two are usually only highlighted at very high refresh rate 1080p benchmarking. Now, I'm no prophet, but I'd wager the majority of folk spending $400+ bucks on processors aren't the type to pair it with a video card and monitor on the lower end of the market.
The real answer to the question depends on current pricing and specific application/game uses for the system. I'd say for 99% of users out there, either of them are fine. That's my whole take on the topic.
Perfect name for these lol. Awesome builds.
+1 and great painting! But, I'm more of a DAHL fan myself... haha.
"Give us your hungry, and we'll give them our leftovers! Give us your poor, and we'll give them a job that might pay! Give us your weary, and we'll make them sing us a song! We are Atlas!"
Awesome build. I like that case, but aren't you worried about dust buildup from it being on your carpet?
No problem. Just gave your '80s build a vote. I like the sleeving!
Ah, didn't read the comments. Venison is a good one too. Now I'm hungry and want some jerky lol.
Neat experience, though. Whereabouts do you live if you don't mind me asking?
Waiting for your parts to arrive is the most agonizing part of any build. Especially, and this has happened on many occasions, when you have everything you need other than a single component that decides to take a week or longer to arrive after everything else. It's torture.
Name it Dinner.
Doesn't seem possible. You can put something like a - or . at the beginning of the build name and it'll move it up, though. That's what I did.
Thanks a bunch for clarifying, I haven't used an Asrock in a while.
Well, that's disappointing then... More marketing gimmicks and useless fluff in the industry
Not released yet, but you should keep your eyes open for MSI's upcoming B450M Mortar 'Max'. If it launches for the same MSRP as the original Mortar then it should be $100 bucks even. I'm only suggesting this because it seems a lot of the current manufacturers are struggling to roll out a stable bios for Zen 2 on their older 'board models.
Edit: But if you had to go for one now (and I'm assuming you can't get your hands on the original Mortar for a good price since they're not sold in NA anymore) then I'd suggest these two:
Unfamiliar with the Asrock's bios, but I'm pretty sure it's got an 'Instant Flash' feature if I recall correctly.
Could you tell me where you bought this NZXT H400? I've been searching everywhere for the white micro without any luck. Started to get worried its been discontinued or something.
Anyway, nice build! Cable management was on point.
Nice build, but I strongly disagree about that case having good airflow. I just used one in a build this month and I was beyond disappointed with it. The entire construction is very cheap and that front mesh-like material is actually a solid aluminum sheet with tiny holes that doesn't allow for as much intake as it appears. Oh, and there's no dust filter behind it or any other additional cutouts for intake. The case looks nice and that's about all it really has going for it. There are much better cases for the money.
Edit: My full review of the case can be found on its product page.
Norton Antivirus... it's been so long since I've heard that name and it still makes me shudder at the thought. Good list. The Gigabyte Vega models have some of the worst reviews I've ever seen, especially the 56. Oh, and if you don't like Noctua because of the brown/beige you might wanna take a look at their new Chromax lineup.
Why don't you like Asus? They've generally been good to me over the years. Except that monitor I've put on my list. Good lord, I'd rather have used a 20'' office monitor...
That's fair. I always say I'm a loyalist to my wallet before any one brand or individual. Nothing ever gets written off from me permanently, as you've pointed out they all have their ups and downs, but there are times where a bad experience will get one put on my craplist until their next design or generation rolls around. Plus, some things are just subjective when it comes to cases or appearance and such. This list compiled was my current craplist of today. Anyway, thought it would be fun is all. shrugs
Those are still safe operating temperatures but it's probably not 'normal' or ideal. It sounds to me like another case of PBO/XFR shenanigans being triggered by otherwise benign software causing the chip to boost. I'm no expert on the matter, but it was a known problem on the previous Ryzen generations... although AMD seemed to assure everyone that it was fine and nothing to be concerned about.
Still though, I'd be more concerned about roughly 1.4v being fed through my 'board constantly when these chips boost that high than I would be worried about the CPU. Here's a workaround fix:
Should be good to go after that. May be a sort of Band-Aid fix, but it's all I've got. Cheers and good luck! Someone with more knowledge of what's going on may be able to help you further.
Yeah, I had a feeling. Seen some mixed reviews/opinions on those units from time to time. Still though, it should be just fine but I'd say it's at least worth taking a look at some sales for something that may give a little more peace of mind. Bronze efficiency isn't too great either.
It's a very good build. I don't see much reason to change any component you have planned. Admittedly I'm not familiar with Corsair's CX lineup of power supplies aside from them being among the cheaper units. If there is a better quality one for a comparable price then that would be an obvious upgrade. For all I know they could be great though; I don't stay up to date on the inner workings of PSUs.
Definitely AMD. 2600X is a much better chip overall and the same can be said for the base 2600 at an even lower price. The Hardware Unboxed comparison Mark5916 shared below is worth a watch.
Personally, the only thing that bothers me is the price. Most models seem to run around $400 American (apologies, not familiar with your currency conversion up there) and they have a lot of competition offering comparable performance for cheaper prices. While a bit slower, the 1660ti can be picked up for $100 dollars cheaper in some places and the used market is also flooded with used GTX 1080s and Vega 56/64s that deliver performance within a reasonable margin of the 2060 as well. If you waited about a month you'd start to see a lot of models of the new Navi RX 5700 coming out too. Still cheaper than the 2060 and trades blows in performance with the new refreshed Super 2060.
I'm not trying to talk you out of it by any means, though. It's an outstanding card. I just hate the price. GPU market is a complete mess right now and we're being charged ridiculous prices for mid/high mainstream products.
Everything looks really good. I would replace your Samsung SSD with a Crucial or Western Digital Blue 1tb model. They'll only run you about 10 bucks more expensive for double the capacity. Also, I don't think the 2060 is a good value card, but it's certainly a powerful one and seems fine. You could pair it with a 144hz 1080p monitor or probably a 75hz 1440p monitor for a reasonable price.
The Steel Legend is available in both micro and standard ATX form factors.