My budget only allows for Haswell CPUs which use the LGA1150 socket. I just didn't want to have to change my motherboard once I had to upgrade my CPU.
I just meant that there aren't going to be any more new LGA1150 processors released, but I was wondering how much longer the already-existing ones would be produced in factories.
I'm almost certain that the 4790K will still be good for gaming three years down the road, but I'm uncertain about the 4460.
Intel Pentium something or other... I played Guild Wars on that piece of $#!@ for two years.
If you take an A10-7870K and use DDR3-2133MHz RAM, then you'll get about the same performance as an R7-250. Add an actual R7-250 and put it in dual graphics and you'll see about a 60% increase in performance. That'd be your best option if you're really considering such an extremely low budget to use an APU.
Thanks for the reply!
Well, it'll take over for gaming, anyway. Light use will still see DDR3.
A half of a terabyte per module? Holy Christ. Wouldn't we have moved to DDR5 by then?
The most reasonable amount of RAM by type for regular computing seems to multiply by eight times with each new "DDR"; DDR at 0.5GB, DDR2 at 4GB, and DDR3 at 32GB. By that trend, then, DDR4 seems like it'll max out at 256GB before you'd need DDR5.
I guess you can never accurately predict the future, though. But 512GB of RAM? That just seems absurdly high.
At the same clock and buffer size, DDR4 generally performs more poorly than DDR3 because of the higher CAS latency (usually at least fourteen cycles instead of eight, I believe). At least, in non-gaming applications it does. I'm not sure how much it'd impact a game's framerate.
However, there are more factors to consider than just CAS latency (where DDR3 excels), such as:
-Cost. DDR4 is usually cheaper than DDR3 at the same clock and buffer.
-Max buffer per stick. I've seen 32GB sticks of DDR4, but DDR3 usually maxes out at 8GB.
-Max clock speeds. I mean, have you ever seen a 3GHz DDR3 stick? Also, as DDR4 technology becomes more refined and affordable, these higher clock speeds will make up for the higher CAS latency, eventually breaking even and reducing real latency (CAS latency/clock).
As it stands right now, though, DDR4 is ahead of it's time for gaming (unless it's for graphics [looking at you, AMD]). No sane build uses more than 32GB of 2400MHz RAM, which is already easily achievable by DDR3 still.
I do expect that in four years, however, DDR4 will take over as it's necessity and usefulness increases.
Thanks, man! I've been looking around at professional reviews that said it's a great upgrade, but I just wanted to hear it from an average Joe before I went and spent all that money; you can never be too sure of your investment.
Also, I noticed that you've got an aftermarket cooler. Do you overclock, or is that just to increase the processor's longitivity? I'm sure it's great GPU regardless, but I was just wondering. I'm going to end up buying the GPU either way. Personally, my motherboard (a ye olde M5A78L-M LX Plus) absolutely sucks for overclocking (3-1 power phasing without VRM MOSFET heatsinks? are you f@%&ing kidding???) , but I always like hearing about how other people soup up their builds.
By "getting a stick up your ***," I meant flipping out over inconsequential BS. No wonder nobody takes the gaming community seriously; it's because of people like you that it seems like a toxic ecosystem. I'm not upset at all, but you obviously are. Grow up.
Sorry. Meant to point out that you could save more still.
Way to get a stick up your ***. I was saying that I like everything except the mobo. And I did "bother to see that this is supposed to be priced similar to the featured build not more or less," but your build costs more than it could. Here's the build I already put on this page:
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And Jesus dude, calm down. Stop taking things on the internet so seriously.
Careful with the heat. One of my friends ran an FX-8350, and he used his rig as a makeshift space heater in the winter for his small bedroom. The CPU stayed cool with an aftermarket cooler, but his room never did in the summer.
What is your average framerate in the Witcher 3? And what resolution do you run? Also, which model is it exactly? I'm very much considering upgrading my GPU from a 750 1GB, but I want to make absolutely certain that it's worth it. If it's not a bother, could you please get me a benchmark at 1360x768? That's the highest my monitor supports.
PS: I looked on your profile and couldn't find you build. It'd be cool if you put it up for us to see.
You mean 4GB? There is no 3GB for the GTX 960 chipset as far as I know.
It depends. Higher RAM buffer allows higher resolution and anti-aliasing. Doubling VRAM obviously adds cost, though. As a rule of thumb, 1GB is usually good up until 1360x768, 2GB is good until 1080p, and anything beyond that usually needs at least 4GB. However, this really only applies when you use a single monitor for gaming (adding a second monitor for a browser/Teamspeak/Skype et cetera doesn't put too much more load on the GPU).
I have a similar build with a weaker GPU and it runs most games just fine, so you should be good. If you want help tailoring a PC to what you need, PM me. There are easily things you can save money on, and I love helping people out with this stuff.
We'll see when Carrizo comes out if that's true. My fingers are crossed, but I realize it's only wishful thinking. I've been a longtime AMD fanatic, but my loyalty is waning.
"This much better..." [sic]
That's just, like, your opinion, man.
The mobo's chipset in that one is garbage. You could get a ASRock Z97M Anniversary board for $25 more and then impress me.
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But what YOU don't realize is that this is a BUDGET PC. Not everyone can spare $1,000+ for an Intel rig with a 980.
Cable management is nonexistent, so I'd recommend a modular PSU. Also, no USB 3.0, if that bothers you. Otherwise it's a great case.
Make your own build and post it elsewhere. It's also kind of a ***** to change boot drives when you've got multiple partitions for me. Cloning just doesn't cut it.
Have fun with your single-channel RAM.
You don't really need more than 8GB of RAM on a budget, so I'd recommend using the extra $60 on a GTX 750 TI. Also, if you got rid of those case fans (case already has fans, like I said), you could save an additional $20.
You don't need anything past stock cooling for that CPU- if you're overclocking the snot out of it, might as well just get an 8350 (also makes the thermal paste unnecessary seeing that the stock heatsink and fan comes with it already on).
Good RAM choice if you're going to upgrade by adding another stick, but I'd otherwise recommend dual-channel 8GB (2x4GB).
You're going to want at LEAST a GTX 750 (which I use and it still even gets below 45FPS sometimes), probably even a 760. With that weak of a dedicated GPU, you might as well just get an APU.
PSU is decent if you don't want to upgrade, but if you do, you're going to want around a 500W (bare minimum 450W) PSU. It's really good if you get at least an 80+ Bronze-rated PSU just for energy efficiency.
The case already has fans in it, so might as well save an extra $10 by not getting those extras.
Otherwise, all very good parts. I don't know exactly what your situation is in terms of a budget, but this is a pretty decent list for $540. Oh, and when you do get the parts you want, you really shouldn't bother with mail-in rebates. They're just a way to make you jump through hoops to save a buck on each product.
Keep in mind that I didn't include an OS or HDD in this build as I already had them, otherwise it would've costed around $640. The only thing I can recommend differently is to get a GTX 760 and an FX 8350 if you have the money, instead of the GTX 750 and FX 6300. The PC runs very well, but I do occasionally get choppier framerates (30-50) on heavily-demanding games. Otherwise, it's a very good build for first getting into PC gaming, in my opinion.
I would never buy a used GPU. You don't know what the last person did with it.
4690k sounds more like it. I think the CPU you've got right now would bottleneck the R9 270.
Really? I thought it was horrible. Thanks for the comment!
You really went all out, didn't you?
Pretty darn good build. My only complaint is the OS and the GPU. If I could give some advice, you could spend an extra $40 and get a Radeon 6750 (literally three times better than the 610), and "Downgrade" to Windows 7 Home Premium.