Lol yeah, I was in the middle of a move for work and was staying at a hotel until i found a place... of course PC was getting setup.
sometimes cheaper you say?
Yeah, I didn't have a side fan, so keeping everything else cool was high in my mind. Since then I have custom made a side intake. When I upgrade vid cards I'll be looking for a different card cooler design. In the meantime, I use openhardware to keep my vid card fan always running at %100. It definitely helps in keeping the GPU from spiking temps and throttling.
lol. Yeah I probably should, I was thinking of doing a raid setup though.
I put the benchmarks at the bottom of my post ;)
That's awesome! I'm glad to see you got some positive results out of this thread. Cheers to your friend in South Africa!
Now on to step 2... the RAM! It's a little trickier, but you might enjoy it :D
If those were your stock temps, than yeah that is a big improvement.
When you switched between the stock cooler and the water cooler you should have cleaned off both contact surfaces and reapplied thermal paste. If you don't and just use the existing, there will be air pockets which tend to trap more heat. I'd say consider reapplying thermal paste sooner than later as hot spots could damage the cpu.
Another thing I would check to see if you could improve temps is where did you plug in what on your water cooler. You might want to ensure that the fan speed is what is increasing when temps go up and not the water pump.
Here are some tools I use btw:
Hardware Monitor- http://openhardwaremonitor.org/ -I use the widget feature on this to keep it going in the background and it saves the highest values since it has been on. So after a long night of gaming I can look at what my cpu and gpu temps peaked at. It also gives you fan controls, I have my GPU fan set to 100% speed all the time as an example.
CPU Stress test- http://www.overclock.net/t/137251/prime95
Vid Card Benchmarking(stress testing)- https://unigine.com/products/valley/
I think you misunderstood me. I was trying to tiptoe around the fact that you have such high temperatures in a setup that should not. Your temperatures are pretty normal for a regular air cooled setup, for water cooling though, those temperatures are just terrible. Of course this is only my opinion, and of course every chip is different, so this could just be normal in your case.
In the case that I might be right and that the temperatures could be improved, I was only offering some suggestions as to how to improve them. It seems though that you'd rather research and defend AGAINST the possibility of improving the temperatures rather than thinking outside the box, and improving your setup.
Negative pressure does have the dust build up drawback, but regular cleanings are a simple solution. While positive setups can create pockets of air that never escape. Although your vid card isn't really doing much in the CPU stress test, in real world conditions where both are working, you might encounter an even bigger temperature problem. Re-applying thermal paste is a simple procedure that can remove any doubt that that might be a problem. I would work by process of elimination, if no improvements are made after TRYING these things (versus just reading about them), than maybe it's just your chip/cooler, and further brainstorming would be required.
I don't want to get in a big debate about negative vs positive, because I have used both and they both are good when done correctly (in my experience negative is easier to get right), I'm simply stating that YOUR positive setup is not optimal, and perhaps by TRYING a negative setup you could achieve better results.
Well those temps are definitely a problem. I would reseat your heatsink to your cpu with fresh (aftermarket) thermal paste. Then (and this varies based on peoples opinions) I would ensure a "negative pressure" setup, which is more fans (or CFM) to exhaust versus intake. In my opinion, unless you build an air tight case, more exhaust is better than more intake. I'll bet that your biggest problem to heat is that vid card. It's creating a lot of heat inside your case and the only place for it to go from the looks of it is up (through the radiator for your cpu cooler). Take a look at getting a pci slot fan to help suck out some of that hot air from below:
You wont have to go into the bios every time once it is set. Trust me, once you get into it, you'll be addicted. Just look up a youtube on it or something to get your feet wet.
This is a solid build man, I like that you kept the theme without spending 3k on plumbing and airflow. The important thing is this thing performs. Good parts list. The only thing your missing is a good overclock :P
The 8350 is also $155 cheaper (about) and still retains some good stats. The point you're missing is price to performance ratio. This is a sunday street bracket racer, not a pro-mod trailer baby. In the end I got what I wanted without paying too much extra.
Been running this setup for about 4 months now. Stills works great, no problems. Everything is running well and I'm very happy. I'm posting some new pics too. Also I've grown to really like this case.
psu was changed.
It probably wont make a noticeable difference between the two daniel. I found a good deal for the nvidia, so i went with nvidia. I'd say to choose nvidia over ATI, someone else will say otherwise though so go with whatever best meets your budget and the deals available. Each card has it's followers. They are both good cards.
The budget was the biggest factor. Initially we were going with 4 cores, but the price of the 6 core went down to just a few dollars difference. I have a 6 core amd in my rig and it handles everything just fine. I however did overclock mine. I've talked to my brother in law about overclocking his but he feels it isn't necessary so that says something. Also I'd like to say that it performs well with newer games based on the benchmark scores, but I can't say for sure since the only games I know that he plays are Hawken and his wife plays WoW. Of course those are graphics at max. I suppose for the price this is as good as any setup for a gamer who doesn't have the funds for an over-the-top build. From what I've read the specs on this video card are on par with an xbox one and just short of a PS4, so that would probably be your best comparison. I'm sure with some tweaking you could probably get it to perform as well as a PS4.
from what I have read on hardware forums is that an overlocked 6300 at about 4.3ghz will perform on par with the 4430. Take that for what it is worth. I've overclocked mine to 4.5 so by that logic it will perform better and have a liquid cooler to keep heat out of the case, and the package costed less all together.
still cheaper to go amd, and get a liquid cooler on top of the added benefit of keeping the exhaust air from the cpu away from the rest of the mobo
not at the time.
psu was changed
i believe in this case the PSU is not actually flush with the case bottom which does allow it to take in some case air if needed.
well you can get other video capture sw for free. don't get me wrong i have it and i enjoy it, but i still don't think it would be the deciding factor for me if in the OPs shoes.
not really IMO. most 260x cards are only 1gb, so at higher resolutions it won't perform as well as the 750ti which are all 2gb. However he got the 2gb version of the 260x. So he made the right choice for the price, same performance, lower price. Minus the nvidia features, but is shadowplay really worth 20 bucks?
Your PSU doesn't match the pictures. You're card runs a little too cool if it's at 45 with load. Just download a free benchmarking tool, google unigine valley. If you're vid card is still that cool durring benchmarking on high graphic settings, I'd be wondering if it has enough power. I briefly took a look at some of the OCZ PSU's and some have pretty low AMP ratings. Anyway your card at full capacity should run alot hotter than that. Take a look: http://media.bestofmicro.com/T/7/404107/original/08-Temperatures.png
Nice build though, the 260x is a great card. I recently built a rig for my brother in law and it is very similar to this build: http://pcpartpicker.com/b/O3A
oh yeah and i forgot to talk about the fan, its pretty quiet, you can hear the air whooshing, but the fan itself is great. also the seidon really is worth it considering its the lowballer of the liquid cooler group.
ty i read that going 8 cores wasn't worth it with a good overclocked 6. the gpu sort of fell into place as i was gonna get an r9, but i found a deal on the 760 and since i dont plan on using crossfire it all worked out. i would def get the same combo again if i were to redo it (i'd consider it the two "core" items eh?), even if i had more money to spend.
it gets the job done. no problems from it so far, pretty reliable connectivity. it also comes with a utility to setup wireless network profiles since windows 8 removed that. i didn't install it though and just learned the dos commands.
I would definately look at getting a fan for the optional bottom mount on that case. It probably won't be necessary, but it sure couldn't hurt.
I will as soon as possible, she pretty much took over with Warcraft as soon as it booted lol. Yeah I already had the CD from my build so he just had to get the license key for windows which saved some cash. He got it from buycheapsoftware.com i think.
changed my mind about overclocking.
..btw cable management I feel was greatly improved with new PSU. One day I'll update the pics.
CoolMax gone. For those of you wondering, it was a 700w 80+.
Nope, I wouldn't worry too much about DOAs, IMO all companies have friday night specials (workers rushed to leave early) which ends up causing faulty or defective quality. People who put poor reviews aren't really fair. They never tested the product, what's important is how it works when you get one of the majority that was produced normally. I don't have any complaints at all for mine. The reference cooler setup is probably the only thing I think needs improvement, but i haven't noticed any problems in performance because of it. With Vsync on i'll barely touch 74 degrees, without vsync it will tap 81. But if you happen to get a DOA, keep calm (try not to rage review) and invoke the warranty.
I'm really happy about it and would totally recommend it to anyone. I don't think there is a better card for the price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231722&nm_mc=BAC-Criteo&cm_mmc=BAC-Criteo-_-Memory+(Desktop+Memory)--G.SKILL--20231722 and color scheme, :( missed this one, its black. 9 latency
Posted some Tempatures. GPU gets to 81 degrees at 1202mhz, tested with Heaven. CPU is frozen (pretty much) as expected, used novabench arithmetic and floating point tests. As I said before I think this case could really use a bottom mount fan to blow pretty much straight at the Vid Card. Once I finish setting up the air flow how I want I'll redo this.
I went ahead and placed an order for a Rosewill Capstone 750 that is a tier 2 on that list, just to be on the safe side. However it is my understanding with electronics that if things are ment to break, they break after first attempts due to poor quality or defective parts. I've stress tested this rigs cpu and gpu and things are running fine. If things break over time it is usually a result of poor maintenance or some change that is controllable. Point being that I think this PSU can still work just fine if you get a good one and you keep it dust free. This won't be my last build though as I'm addicted now, so I went ahead and grabbed the Rosewill which will go in this build. Maybe I'll dissect the CoolMax for an indepth look, or use it for a testbench.
I added more pictures of the interior. Yeah sometimes I second guess the RAM choice, but I've had RAM die on me before at a very inopportune moment.. so I just might have gone a little overboard. I think the price difference was $10 comparable to some good ddr3 1600.
Thanx for all the comments. Looks like I should be looking for a new PSU lol. Any comments on a Rosewill 630w as a replacement? Also I'll get some pictures up of the new internal configuration asap (cords are cleaned up and radiator is up top).
Theoretical Budget Single Card system.