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Forum Topic "Adding to a GTX 1070 - thoughts welcomed!"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 17 hours ago

Okay thanks.

Well unless you are going for a K series chip there is no reason to go for a Z series motherboard. In fact if you aren't going to overclock it would be better to go with Ryzen. Also NVMe will have almost no impact unless you are constantly reading and writing to extremely large files. For most people standard SATA is better and it would be better to go with a SATA SSD for the higher capacity for the price. But even then you can get more storage for cheaper and it still be NVMe in case you do move large files often.

In the end you will save about $100(I type with the dollar sign but I mean GBP) and get similar if not better performance.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor £142.99 @ Aria PC
CPU Cooler Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler £59.33 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard Asus - ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard £115.94 @ AWD-IT
Memory Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory £128.16 @ Amazon UK
Storage Crucial - P1 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive £135.98 @ Amazon UK
Case Fractal Design - Meshify C TG ATX Mid Tower Case £89.99 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply Corsair - TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply £69.96 @ Amazon UK
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total £742.35
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-21 17:12 GMT+0000

Forum Topic "Adding to a GTX 1070 - thoughts welcomed!"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 17 hours ago

What parts are you carrying over from your prebuilt? Also what is the entire spec list of the prebuild?

Forum Topic "Ryzen 5 1600 for $99.99 at Microcenter."

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 19 hours ago

I miss having a Micro Center 30 minutes from my house. They have deals like this all the time.

Forum Topic "Theoretically..."

Nullarc77 3 Builds 3 points 20 hours ago

In the old days yes but in modern computers the motherboard in grounded by the PSU and the case by connection through contact with the PSU.

Forum Topic "Ryzen 2200g vs 1200"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 3 points 21 hours ago

All Ryzen CPUs besides the 2200G and 2400G do not have integrated graphics and require a GPU to display

And the 200ge too.

Also the CPU side is basically the same. The APUs are not based on the refined 12nm process. The only differences is the base clock speed. So once overclocked they are the same as far as CPU. So if you are using it with an external GPU jsut get which ever is cheaper.

Forum Topic "Name any YouTuber’s that you like that you have met in person."

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 21 hours ago

My brother. He has a Youtube channel that he uploads videos about survival gear and stuff too. I guess that counts.

Forum Topic "I'm being unfairly down voted"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 3 points 1 day ago

I agree with you when it comes to power supplies, however the difference between a good bronze PSU and a gold one is about $30, not $100.

You also don't pay attention to details. Because uf ypu had you would see that I clearly stated Platinum and Titanium rated PSUs.

What office has a Pentium/ i3 in 2019? You can't expect to be taken seriously as a business with i3 computers,

Considering they are cheap and work just fine for web browsing and basic office tasks most do. i5s are generally the highest end CPUs you will see. And why can't you be taken seriously as a business if you use CPUs that are perfectly capable of the tasks needed?

even Dell's budget option workstation computers have an i5 at the least.

Bull.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspiron-desktop-intel-core-i3-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive-black-with-silver-trim/6228202.p?skuId=6228202&ref=212&loc=1&extStoreId=1459&ds_rl=1260666&ds_rl=1266837&ref=212&loc=1&ds_rl=1266837&gclid=CjwKCAiA1ZDiBRAXEiwAIWyNC1ns12d0McCElbssJUGmuGv5u6PpRU-T4C0ChOLlRNgo37_VtnHzpBoCDOYQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/desktop-and-all-in-one-pcs/vostro-small-desktop/spd/vostro-3470-desktop/smv3470w10ph2033

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/desktop-and-all-in-one-pcs/vostro-desktop/spd/vostro-3670-desktop/smv3670w10ps122p3

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/desktop-and-all-in-one-pcs/vostro-small-desktop/spd/vostro-3470-desktop/smv3470w10ps5063

All of these are typical office OCs. Now tell me do you seriously think basic office tasks that for years have been accomplished on 2c/4t CPUs will in 2019 suddenly use more than that? They won't. More intense office tasks may use 4c/4t but single threaded performance is the most important thing.

Op's budget was 700 at the most for a reason, he clearly needs that processing power.

You keep bringing up something which has nothing to do with this conversation. Why????

Once spreadsheets start getting more complex you need a more powerful pc,

That would be a valid arguenent, if this were 1997. Seriously do you actually have benchmarks to show this?

and the op I'm talking about needing it for accounting where they'll use encryption software, number crunching software etc.

Again they are irrelevant to this conversation. But do you have any evidence that the sofware they were using actually needed a $700 PC?

200ge isn't even faster than a i5 2400

No it isn't. But the difference is extremely small.

https://youtu.be/E-PR-aU3d0E

The first few benchmarks are iust general comparison performance benchmarks. And the 200ge is not that far behind the 2400.

On the Intel side CPUs have not really had a drastic increase in single threaded soeed sibce the 2000 series.

Also while Userbenchmark is an okay rough comparison, it is a rough comparison. For accurate benchmarks best to use something else.

Forum Topic "I'm being unfairly down voted"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 3 points 2 days ago

ok first of all I don't know where y'all got the $500 budget office pc thing but op's budget was 600-700,

As I explained prior that $500 is an example number. I was just using it as an example and mot referring to any specific instance of your part lists. I was giving you an example of what I have observed from looking at parts lists you have created, but I was not looking at a specific one.

and he would be working with large spreadsheets, and book keeping. They need a fast cpu for encryption, file compression, creating complex accounting models, that build you put together just doesn't meet his needs at all. They also need a high efficiency power supply because it will most likely stay on through the night.

Yeah if whoever you are referring too did need that fast of a CPU, then why are most PCs found in officer building that are from OEMs like Dell equipped with Pentiums or i3s? Spreadsheet is not an extremely intense task.

Power supple effiency on a build like this that ia only drawing less than 100 wats is not that important. With an 80+ Bronze rated power supply when at or near the max wattage of the unit, roughly 85% if the power drawn will actually be used, the rest will be excess that is wasted. Now when the system is drawing kuch less than that the efficiency will go up. And if the PSU is 450 watts and drawing less than 100 wats than the efficiency will be more like 90%. That number will not really change until you go to 80+ Platinum or 80+ Titanium. Which costs hundreds of dollars and are generally stupid choices.

Also when a PC is in sleep mode it draws only a few watts. So "on over night" won't be a problem. Heck when the thing is at idle it will be drawing like 50 watts. The money on electricity saved by going to a higher efficiency PSU will be literally pennies a week. All that for an extra $100? It would take years if not decades in order for it to be worth it.

Business environment = multitasking. This is what I mean by down playing user's needs

Yeah multitasking can be accomplished by a CPU with 4 threads that is fairly modern and has decent clock speeds. The 200ge accomplishes all of that.

My Mom has a 2c/4t laptop running at 2.5ghz and she uses that for photo editing, web browsing, and office work. She has no problems with it. The 200ge is much more powerful than that.

Forum Topic "I'm being unfairly down voted"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 3 points 2 days ago

I am a firm believer that there is no such thing as overkill when it comes to pc part picking

Well that is your opinion. And while in most cases I can agree, but in the realm of an office PC there really is no reason to spend $500 on it(As per the example I gave earlier) when most of that performance will be wasted. You don't need much for web browsing and doing spread sheets. And if you have a budget of $500 you can almost build 2 office PCs for that price that will have the same effectiveness as building one for $500.

Here is a cheap but perfectly capable office PC build that will do any basic office work task without problems.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Athlon 200GE 3.2 GHz Dual-Core Processor $50.79 @ OutletPC
Motherboard Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $72.99 @ Amazon
Memory GeIL - EVO SPEAR 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $47.98 @ Newegg
Storage Patriot - Burst 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $31.99 @ Newegg
Case Rosewill - FBM-X1 MicroATX Mini Tower Case $19.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply EVGA - BT 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $29.99 @ B&H
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $253.73
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-19 13:02 EST-0500

And here is one that will still do all those tasks with almost no difference, but it costs nearly twice as much.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor $164.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler be quiet! - Pure Rock Slim 35.14 CFM CPU Cooler $29.98 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $72.99 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $84.99 @ Newegg
Storage Inland - 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $49.99 @ Amazon
Video Card MSI - GeForce GT 710 1 GB Video Card $37.10 @ Amazon
Case Rosewill - FBM-X1 MicroATX Mini Tower Case $19.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply EVGA - BT 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $29.99 @ B&H
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $490.02
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-19 13:06 EST-0500

Both of them will do the same basic web browsing and office work with no problem at all. The only difference being that one costs twice as much for no reason other than costing twice as much.

Contrary to popular belief in this thread, I do research my part lists thoroughly, I don't know all the big fancy words like y'all but I know whats fast and what's a good deal.

First of all I never said you didn't do any research, I just said you should do more research into how all the parts work and what tasks they excel at in order to make better informed decisions.

You either know computer parts or you don't. You either know what is good for specific applications or you don't. You can't be ignorant of something and know what it does and how well it does.

I mainly post on create a part list for me instead of part list opinions because the users there just want a part list and don't need an explanation or opinion.

That is the exact place where people need information as to why. They are generally the least informed of the people looking for help on this site. So it is critical you give them your rational behind your parts.

Forum Topic "I'm being unfairly down voted"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 3 points 3 days ago

I think you completely and totally missed my poinpt. When putting together for example an office PC with a budget of say $500 without anything else, just the hardware. If the PC is only going to be for office work you can far under shoot the $500. Saving the person money and not buying extra stuff they don't need.

Like said I don't know the ins and outs of a computer, I just know how to make a good pc part list.

From what I have seen the best people on this site for putting together part lists are the ones who have the most knowledge of performance. If you don't than your build will be over looking several things. Looking at your part lists you have put together it seems like you are honestly trying, but you need to do more research to make better informed decisions.

I do have a rational behind my part choices and I explain them when questioned

Nothing is more annoying to a person trying to get help than a list with absolutely not rational to the decosions. Because too many questions pop i. their head. Better to save you and them more time by explaining why you chose those parts in the first place.

Forum Topic "I'm being unfairly down voted"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 3 days ago

I guess people need a goid laugh.

Forum Topic "I'm being unfairly down voted"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 2 points 3 days ago

A few things I have noticed while looking over your part lists is that you seem to stick to the budget even when you can go way under and have it not really affect performance, mainly on office type builds. You also do not rationalize your part choices. As in you don't explain ehy you chose something.

Forum Topic "I'm being unfairly down voted"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 2 points 3 days ago

I want to be Tracer.

Fierybattlehawk's Completed Build: Phoenix 3.0

Nullarc77 3 Builds 2 points 4 days ago

Yeah that's what I was thinking. The 1200 is like $30 more and that would drastically increase performance.

Fierybattlehawk's Completed Build: Phoenix 3.0

Nullarc77 3 Builds 2 points 4 days ago

Brand has nothing to do with it. Chipset is what is important for overclocking.

Forum Topic "The Lie About Comment Karma"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 3 points 5 days ago

Memegenerator

So uncilized.

Also that's the wrong pic for that meme.

There.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PrequelMemes/comments/agrad3/when_you_are_on_pcpp_and_realize_the_karma_store/

Forum Topic "The Lie About Comment Karma"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 10 points 5 days ago

Goes through and downvotes all of diypartsjoy's comments

Let Him be an example for all who would break our covenant.

Forum Topic "To those of you in the midwest, be very careful driving right now."

Nullarc77 3 Builds 2 points 5 days ago

I honestly wish I could have that much snow right now. The thing I miss the most about Minnesota, especially the Brainerd lakes area is the weather. Nice and toasty here in Texas with 13C.

Forum Topic "To those of you in the midwest, be very careful driving right now."

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 5 days ago

From Minnesota can confirm.

Forum Topic "How can I get Karma?"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 5 points 5 days ago

Same. I think a lot of his reputation comes from his early days here where a lot of what he said could have fallen into the realm of **** posting.

Now he has seemed to embrace his reputation. Which just makes the whole situation even funnier.

Forum Topic "How can I get Karma?"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 6 points 5 days ago

Wait did this forum just turn into karma farming?

"Farming. Really? A man of your talents?"

Alee14's Completed Build: AleePC

Nullarc77 3 Builds 2 points 6 days ago

also i would have gotten a 2x4gb kit because dual channel is better

Which in most situations is better, but when you only have 2 dimm slots and don't want to throw out all your RAM when you upgrade getting a single stick is better.

you should invest in a 750 ti or a 1050 ti they have similar performance

Are you saying the 750 ti and the 1050 ti have similar performance? Because that is wrong. The 750ti sits between the gt 1030 and gtx 1050. And is not much better than the Vega 8. Whereas the 1050ti is much better than any if thise. But none of those would be the brst option for upgrading. The RX 570 would be the best upgrade if the OP is looking in the price range of the 1050ti.

Forum Topic "I'm being unfairly down voted"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 2 points 6 days ago

Yes Officer. Search away.

Forum Topic "I'm being unfairly down voted"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 3 points 6 days ago

Alright. Take me to PC-Part-Prison.

Slaps handcuffs over my own wrists

Forum Topic "I Am A PC Noob Help"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 6 days ago

So I am slightly over budget but there is $35 of mail in rebates. So you can get some if that money back. You mentioned the build including windows so that did limit the budget for the actual build to more like $500.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor $94.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard $71.25 @ Newegg Business
Memory Patriot - Signature Line 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $51.99 @ Amazon
Storage Inland - 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $29.99 @ Amazon
Video Card Gigabyte - Radeon RX 570 4 GB Gaming 4G Video Card $149.99 @ Newegg
Case Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $55.66 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair - CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply $49.99 @ Amazon
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit $119.98 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $623.74
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-15 11:51 EST-0500

Forum Topic "I'm being unfairly down voted"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 4 points 6 days ago

I'm Will Smith.

It's rewind time

Forum Topic "I'm being unfairly down voted"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 3 points 6 days ago

Yes it does. A while ago somebody went on a mass downvoting spree against me and within an hour the nods had restored my karma and banned the user. And I didn't even inform file a report about my missing karma.

Forum Topic "I'm being unfairly down voted"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 4 points 7 days ago

Does 900 degree spin while shouting

RWAAAAEAAAA

Forum Topic "Need game suggestions"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 2 points 7 days ago

Skyrim, Prey 2017 and Subnautica are all great games.

Forum Topic "I'm being unfairly down voted"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 3 points 7 days ago

You can be direct without sounding like a jerk. Looking over your comments and lists it appears your downvotes come from your wording making you sound like a jerk. You can be direct without sounding like a jerk.

You could say "Well that part choice is stupid." Or you could say."For the price that part is not that good. It would be better to go with this."

Not calling you a jerk, just saying the way your comments are worded make you sound like one.

Forum Topic "I'm being unfairly down voted"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 4 points 7 days ago

Looking over some of the OP's comments I think you are right.

He claims to "be direct" yet I don't think he realizes you can straight up spout the facts without sounding like a total Fargonian Ice-Hole.

Forum Topic "I'm being unfairly down voted"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 6 points 7 days ago

Despite the fact I'm one of the best part pickers on this site

I bet I'm more humble than you.

Forum Topic "So I finally called Spectum (Time Warner)"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 7 days ago

My family recently switched to Spectrum because when we first moved to San Antonio AT&T said they would have fiber in a few weeks in our area. So we figured we would just use the 50 down 10 up(Which even with wired we weren't getting that) until they got the fiber in. 6 months later we switched to Spectrum because AT&T still didn't have Fiber, we ended up saving some money, and our speeds went up to 400mbps max. Over wifi I normally get 200-300 so I can't complain. I have noticed that Spectrum seems to be a bit more unstable. By that I mean lag spikes are more frequent but still nothing too bad.

Forum Topic "Dual X5690 72gb 1333mhz or Ryzen 2700x 16gb 3200mhz"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 10 days ago

It's more a joke than anything.

Userbenchmark is hit ir miss. Sometimes it is alright other times it sucks.

It is just better in general to use find benchmarks of the applications using both than link those.

Forum Topic "Pc Build under $250 *NOT A GAMING PC*"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 10 days ago

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Athlon 200GE 3.2 GHz Dual-Core Processor $50.89 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard ASRock - A320M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $53.98 @ Newegg
Memory G.Skill - Value 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $46.99 @ Newegg
Storage Inland - 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $49.99 @ Amazon
Case Rosewill - SRM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case $19.99 @ Newegg Business
Power Supply EVGA - BR 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $29.99 @ B&H
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $251.83
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-11 11:54 EST-0500

Over by about $2.

Forum Topic "Dual X5690 72gb 1333mhz or Ryzen 2700x 16gb 3200mhz"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 10 days ago

Userbenchmark

Well there's your problem.

Forum Topic "Can you make a PC upscale resolution to 4k like a ps4 pro does?"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 10 days ago

If I said to you, I'm playing on high settings, is your thought "oh he means a mix between medium-high" no it's pure High, not a mix.

Okay so you still aren't getting what I am saying.

For most ganes playing at 4k on the 1070 you would be playing at high, medium, ir sonewhere in between to achieve 60 fps. So saying that it can't run at high, then saying you nevervsaid it can't run at med/high us contridicting yourself. Because hugh is still in ghere.

I said it's not a 4k card and then expanded upon my position by saying 60fps at high.

In your first reply ti me you quoted where I said the 1070 was perfectly capable of 4k 60fps. Your first response was "No." saying it isn't capable of 4k 60fps. Then you said "It's not," Again saying that's it's not capable of 4k 60fps then finished with "It's not a 4k card."(Which by the way that last is technically incorrect by itself since we were discussibg the GPUs not a specific card)

That's false

In most of the games in both you benchmarks you listed and the ones I listed it gets 30fps no problem. And you and I both agree the benchmarks were run at or neer max srttings. If you read the mext part of my clmment you would realize I was not talking about 60fps at max settings. In the very next sentence I said.

Surely if you lower the settings a bit you can get that 60fps mark

I said

You did not reply that to me. Are you just assuming I read it? Because you didn't seem to lile when I assumed USD earlier. Hmmmmm.

Also on the subject of the 2060 I would wait and see the pricing at launch. before I male any recommendations.

My argument was that if you're gonna be playing at medium with a few settings on high, you might as well purchase a 1440p monitor and get the full experience of the card instead of buying something it wasn't made for

What does that even mean "get the full experience of the card"? It's a GPU. The experience is not the thing but what you do with it. Yes in some ways 1440p at higher settings will look better due it increased anti-aliasing. But in other ways like textures 4k will look better. I am not saying there won't be benefits for running at 1440p. But there are still benefits for running at 4k.

So medium-high would push it even further

That is problem with game presets more than anything. Often you can get much higher framerates by lowering 1 setting and increasing another. Presets usually suck. Better to customize the settings. Because most of the time some settings when dropped will have basically 0 noticeable difference when they are dropped a little bit, but still increase framerates. AA is abig one. Dropping it below what the preset has rarely results in any noticeable difference in visual quality and it increaes your franerate. Ambient Occlusion also has a big impact on performance. So lowering those 2 and increasing something like texture quality can result in the game actually looking better and running better. And you would rarely notice any loss in visual quality from lowering those other settings.

Forum Topic "Can you make a PC upscale resolution to 4k like a ps4 pro does?"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

Well when I say "high settings" it's clear I don't mean "medium-high" otherwise I would have stated as suc

You are missing the part where HIGH is included in med/high.

Well... I mean no, the definition of purpose is "The reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists." so while you can absolutely do whatever you like with the graphics card, it was created for 1080p-1440p gaming.

Which dictionary are you using?

Well.... It's a mid tier GPU. I've never seen any mid tier GPU designed for the bleeding edge of tech.

Well it's not a mid tear GPU. It is on the lower end scale of the high end GPUs. And 4k is not the bleeding edge of tech. It has been popular for like 7 or 8 years now.

I don't need too... You already provided benchmarks that proved my point, just because you're now revising your point to be about "medium-high" doesn't mean i need to answer to that.

No the benchmarks showed that at or near the maximum settings it can get 30-40 fps on average depending on the game. So lowering to med/high would make 60fps achievable in most games. That is why I saw ned/high. Because yes in some games in irder to get 60fps you nay beed to drop a little bit from high.

I stated that the gtx 1070 is not a 4k Card and that for high settings it does not reach 60fps

You have not shown that. The only benchmarks that have been listed were at or near max settings. Not high. No not every game will get 60fps on high but most games will. Not to mention in your original comment you denied the 1070 was capable of 4k 60fps.

I'm sorry if what I said has upset you but it's the truth. I didn't intend for what I said to make you mad or anything like that but when people are spending their hard earned money on products, regardless if it's 300$ or 500$ I believe we should give them the best information

I claimed the 1070 is capable of 4k 60fps. Your response to me was.

No... It's not, It's not a 4k card.

Saying that the 1070 is not capable of 4k 60fps.

Anyway hard to give more indepth information unless the op says what games they are going to be playing.

Forum Topic "Can you make a PC upscale resolution to 4k like a ps4 pro does?"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

Not everybody lives in the US????

Well you never stipulated US pricing.

Right... Never said it couldn't, this is why my stipulation was put in place.

Really?

it can't do high settings 60fps

Because you kinda did. And I did explain that med/high can mean anywhere between medium and high.

What's the purpose of a pen holder? It's to hold pens it can hold other items but that's not its purpose, The GTX 1070 can be used to game at 4k, but it was not created for that.

That is the manufacturers recommended use. Once it's mine it's purpose becomes what I want it to be. I can use it for pens. I can also use it for paper clips, erasers or whatever I wanted. The purpose is what I make it. What the manufacturer made it for can be something different. But I don't care.

And who says the 1070 was not created for 4k?

Once again.. Not everyone lives in the US

You never stipulated. I decided to use the US. Why shouldn't I have? After all you didn't stipulate. And you are all about your stipulations.

You want to prove me wrong give me benchmarks of games being run at med/high settings and not getting 60fps in most games.

Forum Topic "Can you make a PC upscale resolution to 4k like a ps4 pro does?"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

Hahaha. $1000 for a PC with a 1070??? What is this 2016?

Yes and not one game tested hit 60fps

Again. Drop the settings a bit.

Did you miss that part where I clearly stipulated high settings? I guess you did

I saw it. I just saw no reason to give a crap about your stipulations.

You do realize rarely are high and ultra/max settings the same thing right? Med/high 4k is what the 1070 can do. Whether that neans playing at high in some games, medium in others, or in others a mix. But in most games it can run at 4k 60fps med/high.

Well no you just made a generic statement about how it's a 4k60fps card, which is not its purpose at all.

It's a product. When I buy it it's purpose is whatever I want it to be. The manufacturer can recommend what it is best suited for but it's purpose is up to the buyer.

You're gonna be spending almost 1000$ and if you're only going to be playing medium settings you may as well have bought a 1440p monitor

Well first of all the monitor is not part if the selection process anyway. To the point of the $1000 for a gtx 1070 build that is stupid. It's 2019. If you are going for the best gaming performance at 4k amd you have $1000 go for a 1070ti, Vega 56, Vega 64 or a 1080. With how cheap the 1070 is it belongs in a $700-$800 build. Not a $1000 build.

Forum Topic "Can you make a PC upscale resolution to 4k like a ps4 pro does?"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

Those benchmarks were run at or near max settings. Did you miss the part where I said if you drop the settings a bit 60fps is easily achievable? Seriously. Nobody claimed it was capable of 4k 60fos ultra. But 4k 60fps with med/high settings is easily achievable.

It's not a 4k card, it can't do high settings 60fps, and all your links prove that. I don't know what you hoped to gain from this but i'm sorry what you said was false. If you're playing at medium details 4k you might as well not play 4k there's no point spending all that money to play at medium.

Why would you may as well not play at 4k if you are playing at medium/high. In all the games I have played 4k medium looks a heck of a lot better than 1080p ultra.

Forum Topic "Can you make a PC upscale resolution to 4k like a ps4 pro does?"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

Really. Are you sure about that? Because it seems to run fine at max settings in a lot of games. Surely if you lower the settings a bit you can get that 60fps mark. No? No it can't do 4k 60fps no matter what? Well that's what your blank statement implied.

Anyway the 1070 is perfectly capable of 4k 60fps in most modern games at med/high settings. If it can run all these games at or near max settings and get 30fps than dropping those settings can and will in mlst cases double that fps.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-01-20-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-benchmarks-7001

https://www.techspot.com/review/1182-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070/page4.html

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-review/1100-6440307/#4K_Benchmarks

Sure the 1070 is better suited for 1440p. But I could run games at 4k 30fps on my rx 470. And the 1070 is a lot more powerful than my 470 was.

Forum Topic "The AMD Keynote"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

And if you look at what she answered with all it was is echoing their expectations without answering anything.

Yes that is what I was saying. It neither confirms nor denies more cores. Just means that AMD knows people want/expect it.

Forum Topic "Can you make a PC upscale resolution to 4k like a ps4 pro does?"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 2 points 11 days ago

Well I wouldn't straight up go for the 2060. Remember the RTX GPUs have a habit if being above the MSRP. So don't expect to get one for $350. I would look more towards the 1070, 1070ti and Vega 56. Mainly the 1070ti and Vega 56. Since you will not be running games with Ray Tracing enabled on the 2060 at 4k you may want to stay away from it. The 1070ti is usually $10-$20 cheaper but the Vega 56 comes bundled with 3 games. And the Vega 56 is a better overclocker. The 1070 is less powerful but still perfectly capable of 4k 60fps. And is usually the cheapest at arpund $330. But lile I said it is less powerful and you will not be able to run it at the same settings at the 1070ti and Vega 56 and 2060.

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Nullarc77 3 Builds 3 points 11 days ago

I don't care what universe you're from that's gotta hurt.

Forum Topic "Can you make a PC upscale resolution to 4k like a ps4 pro does?"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

Well then the RTX 2060 may be a decent option. But that GPU can already run nost games at 4k 60fos. Just like the 1070, 1070ti, and Vega 56 which are all around the same price point.

Forum Topic "The AMD Keynote"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

The power draw isn't going to be the problem none of the current generations were designed for disipating the heat output at that kind of power draw with stock speeds let alone overclocking.

True. If they decide to release higher core coubt chips they will need to do something about cooling.

Problem is there is only one chiplet so its 8 or 16 cores as a max and they already confirmed these are DOA for further development as they are moving on to Zen 3/4/5 and Navi.

Correct me if I am wrong but I do not recall AMD stating that the Zen 2 Ryzen CPUs will only have 1 CCX. I mean in the interview with her after when specifically talking about the CPU they showed she did say "There is some extra room on that package and I think you might expect we will have more than eight cores.” While this doesn't confirm more than 8 cores it also does not deny it either.

There are lots of questions about Zen 2 right now and only AMD has the answers. Best to wait and see.

Forum Topic "Can you make a PC upscale resolution to 4k like a ps4 pro does?"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 2 points 11 days ago

What GPU do you currently have?

Anyway I believe with DLSS it is actually the opposite. It renders something at a higher than native resolution than downscales them. Similar to SMAA but made to use the Tensor cores to affect franerates less.

Forum Topic "The AMD Keynote"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

and the current 8-core was already pulling over 130w

Well it is an early test chip. So like with any prototype model the wattage will likely be a bit lower on the actual thing. I think the main point of the test was to show that for the same performance AMD can do it at a lower wattage.

But I do think this test somewhat validates a rumor that IF there are higher core count CPUs for 3rd gen Ryzen they will need motherboards with 2 8pin power connectors.

I personally do not expect a 16 core chip on Zen 2. If AMD does decide to release higher core count CPUs as Lisa Su implied than I think 12 cores will be the max.

Forum Topic "The AMD Keynote"

Nullarc77 3 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

You mean the Vega 56? A GPU that is already out and has been out for a while. One that is about equal to the 1070ti which nVidia said the 2060 will slightly better than. And that is likely marketing speak for "It is equal most of the time but in a few cases it has a few extra FPS."

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3Nx2FT/powercolor-radeon-rx-vega-56-8gb-red-dragon-video-card-axrx-vega-56-8gbhbm2-2d2hdoc

Not too mention that AMD has been bundling games with their GPUs for months making them a better value.

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