Id have to err on your assumption as well. How loud we talking, like a room fan or a Razer Blade going above 10% load?
Yes you are correct, but here's my point - Did your first anything turn out halfway as good as your 5th, 6th or 10th iteration? People learn as they do things more than once. Maybe give someone some slack and avoid the bandwagon of "oh my goodness, its a first build and the only thing I can do is find fault in the fact it doesnt tickle my aesthetic fancy".
Easiest way would be to take temp readings during a stress test, reverse the top ones, take temp readings again, etc so forth wash rinse repeat. Only real true issue with a ton of intake minus a somewhat equivalent exhaust is you can end up with a lack of the hot air being exhausted as it is created. But you do have reference blower cards and the GPU so its not like you have no exhaust at all. Time will tell, Id honestly be interested in how this works out as Ive heard and seen people do it, but they never really remark on how their temps hold out. Id be willing to guess its pretty similar to a slightly positive or equal air pressure, 5,10% tolerance maybe on the temps.
Its his/her first ever PC build, think back on the wiring nightmare that all of our first builds were ....
Pretty dope rig you have. Curious question - it looks like you have all of your fans running as intakes, are you just going for tons in positive pressure or are you letting the GPUs act as your exhaust?
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Pretty good for your first build, very nice!
PSUs operate at specific efficiency, usually around the 50-60% is where they are peak. Since this build draws around 575-600 watts its right around that area. Maybe a tad bit of research?
Perhaps they are in a RAID?
It "WAS" going fine, Doom was running ok until I went to Ultrawide. Then the vram was my bottleneck, 1.5GB simply couldnt cut it. I had a 680 a friend had sold me for cheap and it made noticeable differences, but it still had some dips here and there. Since then I found a 690 on Craiglists for $125 and thats been my single card for now. Only game that isnt performing well right now is Quantum Break but I feel I can chalk it up to a poor port from console to PC, as its the only game I cant play right now at moderate settings. Since the GTX 1070 TI has released im seriously considering one of those, possibly a 2nd if I ever change my monitor but Im not the kind of person who needs eye-blistering 240FPS at 200Hz.
You need to go by what the actual manufacturing specs/manual says.
Not all boards are built like this, just because a slot isnt the top one doesnt mean that its not electrically capable of running at x16. If you would take a little time to research the board in this build youd see that both of the top 2 PCI physical x16 slots are electrically capable of running at x16 by themselves and only operate at x8/x8 electrically when SLI is enabled.
Its come down to it, Quantum Break was on sale on Steam yesterday and its kind of ... a less than stellar gameplay on the 690. Not sure if I want to sink another $200 into an aging GPU type or just go for a 1070. But it'll happen soon!
I had to swap out the 580s, was scraping the bottom of the barrel on FPS playing Doom. Friend had sold me a 680 but it was only a skosh better so I found a guy selling a 690 on Craigslist for $100 and its been letting me play everything at decent FPS, even CoD WW2 beta ran smoothly.
I'd considered 960s but the stats state it would be outclassed by a single 970, and I cant use 1060s because the 1060 had its SLI removed :-( sadtrombone So eventually when it comes time a 1070 may have to be in my future, gotta sleeve my new PSU and get everything moved to my new case whenever I try to find a minute to delve back into it.
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What is this, a computer made for ants?!
Because its 1080p 60Hz, 1080 is a tad overkill for that resolution. But I see your point, OP may have had to grab it while it was possible during the mining frenzy. Or a 1080 might not have been available and he didnt want to settle for a 1060.
Upvotes are anonymous, no one knows who did or didnt upvote, but we do know what people comment with. Its good you upvoted, but when you have nothing but a critique to say, it would be nice to have something positive to add as well instead of just said critique.
Because the only thing you had to say was a critique, maybe if you have nothing but that to say either find something good to say or dont say anything?
M.2 is only a physical form factor. M.2 drives depending on their key, can be either SATA (which runs through a SATA controller and more often than not is tied to a bus shared with a standard SATA port) or NVMe drives which run off of PCI-E lanes instead.
That ..... is a fantastic trick to remember, I cant count the number of times Ive accidentally snatched an AMD processor out of its socket because the cooler wouldnt release from the heat spreader .... stupid PGA.
"a A4 isnt that good anymore" sounds pretty much like a critique to me, as do the rest of the majority of your comments.
Maybe if you would take a second to read and think before you comment, its for his daughter, it was a ton of spare parts and he managed to get all of this together for less than most people spend on just the CPU. Maybe try to find something positive to say about a post instead of criticizing it just because it doesnt match what your build would be or what you think a PC should be. Every build can be tailored to a specific need, this one was spot on.
Maybe you'll learn some tact and maybe manners one day. I wont hold my breath however.
I see someone who still has a need for an optical drive, I upvote. +1
Man, for your first build you certainly went big. Looks really good, cable management is really well done.
Man this is dope! Love to see builds like this!
Question - where did you get your donor backplate? I'm planning a custom case for consolidating two Mini-ITX servers into a single mATX and I'm not finding a lot of info on the backplate short of making my own.
No im just someone who tries to help this site grow and prosper as opposed to being crass and brash. Perhaps you would be better suited on Reddit?
Yeah sorry bud, im too old to be a millennial. And Ive been building PCs for over 25 years so I feel it safe to say that I am much more knowledgeable than you are. Also I bashed your criticism because you come across as rude and entitled that your opinion is so important that it negates the ability to convey your opinion without being a complete douche.
That kind of point can still be made without coming across as "I know everything, your build is crap, heres what you did wrong" etc.
Who are you to be "grading" anyone's build? Are you supposed to be a PC building authority?
Ok since you are very new here, this kind of attitude and commenting is usually frowned upon. Also you're coming off as very arrogant and very rude to just toss out all of these brash comments without having anything remotely nice to say about this build.
Also VRAM on GPUs doesnt stack when they are in SLI.
You make these comments, yet you've been a member of this site for 2+ years and have not posted a single build.
TDP can change, would TDP of a cooler not be the same if no fans were installed vs a 500RPM fan vs a 1500 RPM fan? My apologies, I meant to say it is NOT explicitly stated because it is not a static measurement.
The TDP for the 212 EVO is explicitly stated within its specs, because its TDP is not a static measurement, it is based on the type, RPM rating and number of fans you choose to use. Also since it states it can be used for 2011-V3 chips and none of those are below 110w then one can safely infer that OP can use the 212 for his Xeon.
You make that 2nd comment still stating there is improvement needed, yet your comments seem to have a pattern of being rather critical instead of positive, this site is based upon positivity and not trying to find the faults in someones builds.
You really didnt manage to have anything nice to say about this build, all youve managed to do is complain and critique. Also a specific chip being server grade has absolutely nothing to do with its ability to be cooled effectively by any cooler, its about the specific TDP of the chip itself and the total TDP capability of the cooler. The E5-2620 has a total TDP of 85 watts which is well within the range of the cooling capability of the 212 EVO. Maybe try to be more constructive and do a little research before tossing out baseless criticism?
Just saying there is nothing wrong with 5400 RPM drives, especially on a single user situation.
Also - was this it?
Ahhh ok, now it makes sense. I figured it was since those and the HoF edition cards are usually the ones that go balls-to-the-wall power hungry.
Great build, love the carbon fiber and the custom paneling. But your GPU confuses me a bit, the 980TI only has a 6+8 pin power plug but your pics have a GPU with an 8+8+6 pin power config ...
This is a very good build, very solid choice of parts for your first build and it should perform very well and last for a very long time. My only critique and this is coming with a large amount of "its OPs first build, they will learn as time goes on" is that your cable management is in need of a LOT of work, especially in a case that huge. Aside from that well done.
Ok here we go, if anything I suggest or say is confusing let me know and I'll try to explain.
First off, I think you have a very good motherboard, I personally didnt see a ton of reason to go from Haswell/Broadwell to Skylake. To me, you got the option for DDR4 and aside from that not a ton of other upgrades, unless you truly needed a ton of super fast IO for M.2 or NVMe storage which a the vast majority of people who upgrade from 1150 to 1151 didnt really take a huge advantage of. I personally really like ASRock boards, I have the Pro6 variant of yours in my main desktop rig, as well as 3 mini-ITX ASRock boards w/ G3258s running my 2 servers & my MediaCenter DVR/Plex box and they have been running 24/7 for 2+ years with no issues whatsoever. So as far as mobos go, Asus & Gigabyte have earned their reputation but I would personally keep what you have, there isnt anything wrong with it, has a large number of features and options that would allow you to upgrade it without having to shell out entirely. If you do want to upgrade, that would be an entirely different conversation and a budget ceiling would be something Id need to know. If you are interested in streaming and dont want to rebuy/build everything, I would suggest
1 - Go for a 4790K, still a fairly coveted CPU and Intel still offers a $20 insurance overclock policy where you register your CPU, pay them $20 overclock it until your heart is content and if you blow it, they'll replace it. You can see how the 4590 does for you for the time being and if it allows you to stream at a quality that is satisfactory to you then you could save this upgrade to last.
2 - Double (at least) your RAM. Your board supports 32BG max and you have some room to grow. Streaming, depending on the quality of the content you are putting out, can get RAM hungry. And 8 GB is really the minimum now for a desktop build, especially one that is centered around more than standard day to day web browsing etc.
3 - Get an SSD or and SSD RAID combo. OS on an SSD is pretty much standard practice now and it will increase your boot speeds and overall experience vastly. Your board supports RAID and Id get a few 250GB SSDs and put them in a stripe RAID (RAID-0) for increased performance, can be done for about $150, and it will allow you to install your streaming software on that specific disk and will allow for much faster read / write speeds. Just keep in mind that this is a stripe RAID, so data is written across each disk, so part of a file might be on both drives and if one disk in the RAID dies, the entire data set is gone so dont put any crucial data on their that isnt backed up somewhere else.
4 - Potentially a more powerful GPU. Your card only has 2GB of VRAM on it and that might be a bottleneck for your stream. But again, see how it works and if necessary upgrade.
Ok as far as the fan switch/hub/controller goes, Ive never personally been a fan (please excuse the accidental pun) of those big double 5.25 controllers. They do offer on screen control of each individual fan that is plugged into them but they IMO tend to take away from a sleek aesthetic. But if that is something that interests you the NZXT Sentry line is pretty good and not terribly expensive. I prefer (again, totally up to you and your tastes) a "passive" fan controller like the Silverstone CPF04 PWM Fan Hub because its inexpensive, unobtrusive and will power more than enough fans and can be controlled by the motherboard w/ custom fan curves.
Was going to say "In before WHY DID YOU BUY INTEL VS THREADRIPPER OMG BUILD IS RUINED NOW STUPID HOBBIT" but it appears I am too late.
This is a very nice build, very clean and concise. I was curious about the single strangely placed RGB strand until I saw the rest of the build and how it acted like underglow for the front panel. +1
It depends on your budget as well as your taste for aesthetics and whether or not you care about noise levels.
Noctua make some of the best fans many can buy, they are quiet, efficient and will stand the test of time, but they only come in 2 colors, their signature burgundy / beige and black/grey. Some people usually use their fans as a way of showing "Hey, Ive got this bad mutha air cooled and quiet and this is how I did it", kind of like a giant blower intake on a drag racer. They are also fairly expensive.
Corsair makes a very good fan as well, static pressure (SP) optimized for radiator support & air flow (AF) meant to just get as much air movement into/out of a case as possible. Their AF/SP120 line is what I used to replace the noisy stock Corsair fans on my H80i and even when I am rendering/converting with Handbrake/Adobe I can tell no difference in actual noise level and my 4790K stays at or below 60 even when all 8 threads are maxed out at 100%. They are a bit cheaper but still kind of pricey, I believe I paid ~$30 for a 2 pack but that was about a year ago.
If price is your concern but you still need something that will perform, then the CoolerMaster Value 4 Pack on Amazon for a whole $12 is a fairly solid purchase. I usually keep about 3 boxes of these in my office for customer builds, I can offer them a fix/upgrade on old stock case fans when they bring me a 10 yr old PC for relatively cheap, and they are also insanely quiet (provided you have them connected to some sort of controller/mobo instead of directly off of the PSU).
If RGB is your thing I have little input to give as that is something that never floated my boat. Aside from all of that as long as the fan has decent reviews and doesnt have a huge noise level and decent CFM, you really cant go wrong. Read reviews and see what strikes your fancy.
One more thing, if you have the option, always go with a larger fan, if the case will fit either a 120 or a 140, always go with the larger fan, it will provide better/quieter/more efficient cooling over the smaller fan. My current case on my main build has 200 & 220 fans and they are insanely quiet even under load so its hard for me to do my upgrade.
Good luck, if you have any other questions dont hesitate, I'll do what I can to help.
Well ... its stealth allright, good list of parts but it really needs a lot more pictures.
Not bad, decent little budget build. +1
How are you running/powering the fans? Mobo? Directly off of the PSU? I dont see any additional fans in your parts list so Im guessing you're using the stock fans that came with the case? Manufacturers usually tend to cheap out on those, especially a budget case that isnt geared towards a large component list. If they arent run off of the mobo with either speed control or PWM then they will pretty much always run at full speed. When the mobo then does manage to crank up its other fans (GPU, CPU cooler) then it will only add to noise already created by anything else.
Total price is cumulative, its based on the prices you let the part picker automatically use instead of manually inputting the price you actually paid.
Not my build :-)
The vast majority of gaming is performed once the game is loaded into RAM unless its something that constantly has to load and reload locations and different bits of data, so those different drive speeds are usually what affect game load times, not so much the gaming experience. Otherwise anyone on console would have the same issue since PS4 & XB1 both ship with 5400 RPM drives.
Yeah they are!! I mean thats pretty awesome, never seen that before and hadnt thought of that before, def gonna have to add that to my list of tricks. Im alllll about a custom build being aesthetically pleasing so thats def a plus! Guessing the difference in reception is negligible/unnoticed?
There is literally so much awesomeness crammed into this build .... you even rerouted the external antenna back into the case???
(In my best George Takei voice) Ohhhh myyyyy
Well done, this is freaking amazing!