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Forum Topic "Included thermal paste on Wraith Spire LED (r7 1700)"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 1 day ago

Not using conductonaut with an aluminium heat sink is still some very solid advice.

For those curious why this is a good watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWV4rHWiCpk

Forum Topic "is 60 c idle good?"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 1 day ago

The b450 chipset on your motherboard natively supports the r3-2200g. There are no drivers to install for CPUs so that isn't a worry. The most that may happen is with windows licencing where windows may need to be reactivated. Generally if it is just an upgrade to a PC Microsoft will help re-activate windows. Chances are if it is a single part changed you won't even need to worry about this.

Forum Topic "Question about cooler"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 2 days ago

Not sure if the thermal paste is pre-applied but any cooler you get from CM will come with some thermal paste either pre-applied or separately. I will look into it and get back to you.

EDIT: The thermal paste is in a tube and not pre-applied from what I found when looking up videos online for that cooler.

Forum Topic "Does anyone else here think the i9-7980XE is complete (and udderly awesome) overkill?"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 2 days ago

Overkill depends on the workload. For gaming it will be lackluster compared to the current i5-9600k/i7-9700k/i9-9900k due to single core speeds if you ignore costs. For production workloads that can take advantage of all 18 cores then it is a really solid CPU. If someone wanted a PC for facebook then yes it totally is overkill.

Basically it is not a CPU I would aim for in use of a gaming rig regardless of costs.

Forum Topic "Hyper t2 vs wraith stealth"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 3 points 3 days ago

The Hyper t2 is very close to the Gammaxx 200 so this video may be of help looking into: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuZ0JKIuDwk

That being said the Hyper t2 is the kind of cooler I would consider if the stock cooler failed and you just need a cheap cooler to get back up and running on a not so hot CPU. There are plenty of better budget coolers out there that would be more effective at a gopod cost. The t2 is not a strong performer and it is a bit nosey compared to other aftermarket coolers.

Forum Topic "why is amd cpu usage lower than intel's?"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 3 days ago

Specifically, I'm opting between core i5 8400 and ryzen 5 2600x You could see on youtube that intel's cpu runs at better fps

If it helps LTT came out with a video you might find very interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEszLdXMMu4

TheArsonator's Completed Build: The Beast (My 2017 Build)

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 3 days ago

I've been eyeing the FX-9590 as a stopgap until I get enough money to do a new build entirely

If you are getting 4.7 on your 8350 you will not see much if any improvement with the 9590 @ 5.0 Ghz. Also it is less about the CPU bottlenecking the GPU and more about the CPU not having the needed power to run modern games regardless of GPU. Save your money and do not buy the 9590 as it is equal to flushing your money down the toilet. I would much rather keep that money set aside for the newer system such as the saved list you linked. Though if it helps you can always use the stock cooler now on a Ryzen and get the better cooler later on and you won't need to buy extra thermal paste.

Forum Topic "is 60 c idle good?"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 6 days ago

Going through this thread, I'm wondering why nobody has mentioned reapplying thermal paste & making sure the CPU & cooler are properly seated. There is absolutely no reason for this processor to be overheating.

I did mention to check that 5 days ago..... https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/312164-is-60-c-idle-good#cx3166880

Forum Topic "i5 8400 vs ryzen 5 2600x"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 6 days ago

i5 8400 vs ryzen 5 2600x

This video from Linus Tech Tips actually goes over the i5-8400 vs r5-2600 and I found it rather interesting: https://youtu.be/SEszLdXMMu4

Forum Topic "is 60 c idle good?"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 7 days ago

still more than ample for your CPU

Forum Topic "Cinebench r15 vs r20"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 8 days ago

Either or. Just need to be able to stress the CPU to max load for extended periods of time and monitor temps at the same time.

Forum Topic "Cinebench r15 vs r20"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 8 days ago

Not really. It will only show how well the CPU performs with a score. If your overclock is not fully stable it could take a hour or 2 to fail or even longer and cinebench simply does not run that long. Also cinebench doesn't show CPU temps.

Now if your CPU reaches its max temps it can thermal throttle and this is how it would look in AIDA64. The goal of using AIDA64 is to see if it can stay running on stress for hours (I let mine run overnight to ensure 100% stability) and the CPU temps stay within reason then the overclock is good. The max temp I like to aim for is ~80c but thermal throttle is 100c. On air coolers 10 or so minutes is good to reach its max temps while liquid cooling can take over 30 minutes to hit its max temp so you need to keep an eye on temps during that time.

Forum Topic "does the thread ripper struggle in gaming?"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 8 days ago

Games cannot utilize a ton of CPU cores. 6 cores now is great for gaming but you do get diminishing returns going up to 8. Anything higher than that is not worth it just for gaming. The issue is when you have 16-32 cores in a CPU that packs a ton of thermal and power density in the chip. Power delivery to the CPU along with the heat limits the overall speed of that many cores so per core speed is often slower than the lower core count CPUs. If a game is only going to use 4-6 cores then the speed of said cores is what matters most.

Now it is still okay to game on a threadripper CPU. It is not a waste if you bought TR for your work related tasks that can scale with that CPU and since you already have that PC no reason why not to game with it too. Sure buying a k skew i5 or i7 and OCing it to 5.0 GHz will deliver higher gaming performance but that is also the cost of a 2nd system and most people cannot afford multiple purpose built high end systems.

Forum Topic "Cinebench r15 vs r20"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 8 days ago

I use AIDA64 for stress tests to check stability and also monitor temps while overclocking. Cinebench is only a benchmark. AIDA64 can run for hours to ensure stability with the overclock. Prime95 can stress test too but you will need a seperate program to monitor temps live.

As for setting the overclock I would prefer to do so in the bios rather than using a program to do so. I know AMD has a ryzen specific one and some motherboards have a an OC utility program as well for setting the overclock.

Forum Topic "Best Air or Water Cooling for 8700k?"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 9 days ago

Low profile ram should be able to fit under the cooler's intake fan and if push comes to shove then that fan can simply be moved to the back for a pull configuration.

Forum Topic "High end 2070 or low end 2080?"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 2 points 11 days ago

That 60% that you are referring to is the the peak efficiency curve. For a PC that is using 500w or less on absolute max load even 5% difference in efficiency isn't going to make a huge difference on the power bill. You are looking at the difference of a couple average CFL light bulbs at worse and perhaps a LED light light while the system is idle in power difference.

Though we have no idea what PSU OP has, just that it is rated for 550w. A well built PSU can run all the way up to its rated wattage for output but a garbage PSU is lucky to reach half its rated output.

The other thing we don't know is what display OP has. If it is a 1080p 60hz screen he might as well save money and just get a 1660 ti at most. Hopefully OP is going for 1440p or higher or else the screen is just going to bottleneck those cards.

Forum Topic "Need Cooling advice"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 2 points 11 days ago

You got low profile ram selected in your build already and I got the Dark Rock Pro 3 with the same low profile ram in my build: https://pcpartpicker.com/b/MnLJ7P

That ram will fit under the front cooler intake fan but as it is only the fan covering the ram slot it can be moved to the other side of the cooler tower and pull air if ram clearance is an issue. The Dark Rock 4 is not as thick of cooler but I think either the regular Dark Rock 4 or even the Dark Rock Pro 4 (beats some 240mm AIOs in cooling) will fit in your build though the Pro version will only be 2mm from the side panel while the non pro will have a bit more at 5mm.

Forum Topic "is 60 c idle good?"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

Yes, it is a more effective cooler than the 2 I mentioned.

Forum Topic "is 60 c idle good?"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

verything has gone well to the moment i installed the drivers for the gpu. then it startet getting slowly warmer..

I have a hard time believing it is a lower powered GPU causing a CPU to be 20+c hotter than it should be in a decent airflow case even if both CPU and GPU are maxed out. To give you an idea on what I mean by GPUs warming up CPUs I will use my own PC as an example. It is linked here: https://pcpartpicker.com/b/MnLJ7P

Here are 2 pics on temps I got with stress tests: Pic 1 Pic 2

Pic 1 was from a while ago but it shows what I get on idle temps, sure it is a much more powerful cooler but also on an overclocked CPU. Second pic shows the difference the GPU does to the CPU. When I did it that day trying to burn the CPU at 100% load got me 55-56c and burning my GTX 1070 at the same time rose the CPU to only 59c so only by 4 degrees. Keep in mind your RX 570 and my GTX 1070 are both 150w TDP cards. My CPU when overclocked is over double the heat than your CPU at its max but it also has a better cooler.

There must be something physical affecting the direct cooling of the CPU to cause what you described "60 c idle and in fortnite on low settings ist 90-100 is that safe? my pc also turns hisself off when too hot". It is not throw off heat from the GPU either as the effect is not nearly that drastic.

If you want to buy another cooler for that CPU a Hyper T2 is like $17 USD and a M9 Plus is only $30 USD. Though the A10 9700 is nowhere near as good as a r3 2200g as far as performance goes anyhow. There is a good 60-ish % difference in power anyhow. If you want to spend the money upgrading the system a 2200g will perform much better even with it's included stock cooler at stock settings. That will cost you the most but it will deliver a MUCH better gaming experience.

Forum Topic "Question on my AIO placement / fan direction"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

With that case the very front panel looks to be solid and not allow airflow so the front 3 intake fans will pull air from the side mesh gaps. What I am not sure about is how much room is there between the fans themselves and the front solid panel. If the gap is large enough (I would say 3/4" or more) then front air take will be ample. Though is past cases I have seen gaps around 1/4" or even less airflow. This case is one of those bad cases from Cooler Master. That is also not the worst airflow case from CM either.

I am having a hard time finding the spacing from the front fans to the front panel to see if it repeats the same mistake as the other case I linked or if it improves on it so I can't say if that case has good airflow or not. I just don't have much experience with that case.

Forum Topic "Question on my AIO placement / fan direction"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4B2cnH

Well you can place the radiator in either the front or the top but just consider the effects. In the front with the air as intake the radiator will get the coolest possible air and give the best CPU temps but it will slightly heat up the air that the GPU will use to cool itself with heating itself up. If you place the radiator at the top then the GPU will slightly heat up the air for the CPU but as the CPU heat will not go near the GPU that will have it's best temps. The difference in temps between either way do vary depending on how good the case airflow is. Good airflow means a couple of degrees difference at most, poor airflow can have a larger difference.

Forum Topic "Alcohol"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

Yeah 70% is good enough to clean a CPU with though I was lucky enough to get 99% stuff myself. If you need to find a good lint free cloth to clean the CPU with surprisingly if you have any coffee filters around those are some of the best.

This video may be a fun watch on the matter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOd1oN1wPSk

Forum Topic "Need Cooling advice"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 2 points 11 days ago

I do prefer air coolers over AIOs but that is a personal preference. Sure with AIOs pump failure and leaks are things that can happen that doesn't mean they will happen within the life of the PC. Generally you are relatively safe using an AIO. I prefer air coolers myself because it is impossible for them to experience pump failure or leaks as they do not have any of that and they also do not generate any pump noise for the same reason. They will still have fan noise but AIOs also use fans on the radiators so there is zero difference there. The only downfall of high end air coolers is they take up a ton of room and you need to consider that in your build. As they both have their pros and cons yet both styles are good you can choose either way.

A solid air cooler to consider for a r5 2600x is a Dark Rock 4 air cooler if you are really worried about the possible failures of an AIO. However if you do get an AIO those problems are rare and should not be something to really worry about. Well unless you yank at the tubes or do other dumb stuff to them...... lol

Of course aesthetics are another thing to consider. Some people prefer the looks of an AIO over an air cooler and will spend the money for one on cpus that absolutely don't need one (cough locked intel cpus cough) and some people like the looks of some of the air coolers out there. Choose what you like and what fits in your budget.

Forum Topic "is 60 c idle good?"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

Fist of all reset the bios on your motherboard to defaults to ensure no overclocking is done. If issue of those high temps persist I would suggest to reinstall your air cooler taking note of issues I mentioned in my first post. Though I didn't mention this before also check to see if dust is clogged in it as that will prevent the cooler from working too. Your CPU should NOT be getting that hot unless you are in a room that is over 35c (95f+) for ambient temps which is doubtful this time of year.

Forum Topic "is 60 c idle good?"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

First of all a video card does not cause a CPU to heat up drastically unless it is in a case with nearly no airflow where the heat of the card is recycled through the case heating everything up. That case you have has an intake fan in the front and an exhaust fan in the back at least so that is more than ample airflow for your kind of hardware.

Second the CPU is only a 65w TDP chip so even a basic cooler should be able to keep the idle temps in the high 20s or low 30s without breaking a sweat and load temps should never get to 100c. This is why I think there is something wrong with the cooler on the CPU in one way or another.

Forum Topic "is 60 c idle good?"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 12 days ago

60c idle temps are not normal for that CPU even with the stock cooler. Assuming you are not overclocking there must be something wrong with the cooler causing those temps. Things such as forgetting to remove the plastic at the bottom of the cooler, not mounting the cooler correctly, fan not working, no or bad thermal paste, etc.

Forum Topic "Urgent help, old x299 mini itx, small case, need cpu cooler"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 2 points 12 days ago

I believe you are looking at a cooler such as this: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hsw323/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhu9dxi4

This video will showcase that cooler a bit: https://youtu.be/GTV0dkCcU64

https://noctua.at/en/cpu/Intel_Core_i7-7820X

Noctua lists that cooler easily compatible to cool that exact CPU but not enough cooling for overclocking headroom. 140mm height restriction is a tough one for air coolers on a high TDP server chip.

Forum Topic "Thermal pad"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 12 days ago

From review videos I have seen it works as well as a mid rate thermal paste but has the advantage of being reusable over and over again. From mid rate to top of the line thermal paste you are only talking about a couple degrees at best difference anyhow so I don't think that is deal breaker on it.

I would still use the thermal paste that comes with my cooler as it will often perform around the same if not a degree or 2 better (since high end coolers often give better thermal paste). If I run out of thermal paste and only need it for a single system then the thermal pad seems like an attractive option. Though it can't be shared with multiple PCs a tube of thermal paste can cover multiple.

MS3QT's Completed Build: G7 - 2019 Updates - Long Haul True Cost

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 3 points 12 days ago

Our youngest kid kept messing with the power button, which has contributed to powering-on issues. When powering-on, the computer will load for 20 seconds before powering off. Then we have to press the power button again to get to Windows. We have no idea what's causing the issue, but wouldn't be surprised if it was the PSU.

Sounds like the power button is sticking. Holding the power button will force the PC off so it sounds like you are turning on the build and then the stuck power button shuts it back down. After that the system will stay on once the power button is unstuck. This is what a defective button can do

Future Outlook: We're hoping to keep this computer as long as possible. We're lifelong gamers, but not overly concerned with having top-of-line parts or the best possible viewing experience. I don't think it would be worth it to upgrade to the FX-8350.

Wait till you get off the AM3+ platform and go for a modern Intel or AM4 Ryzen. The difference is night and day and it is surprising how much the FX cpu falls behind in gaming. I used to have a FX 8320 OC to 4.7 GHz and since then I had got rid of that PC and got 2 others with an 1800x and a g4600. I also have an RX 470 GPU too (nice budget card) that I had moved between the systems. It originally was in my FX build then moved to my Ryzen when I built that in april 2017. When I upgraded that system with a GTX 1070 I moved that RX 470 to my HTPC with the pentium g4600. I wrote about my experiences with it on another forum site if you want to read up on it.

TL:DR version- The Pentium G4600+RX 470 ran circles around the FX-8320@4.7GHz+RX 470 in game FPS. The FX CPU line is far too behind and will be the bottleneck. "Upgrading" to a FX 8350 will be a waste of money with no real fps gain.

The Significant Other wants to replace the CPU fan, because he's afraid it'll become loose again. I don't, because it's doing the job and keeping the CPU cool at 24°C/75°F when idle. And it endured a 500 mile move in my car without any issues. So I'm holding off as long as possible here.

Idle temps do not matter nearly as much as load temps. Also coolers do not really "come loose" on their own. I take the system may have been dropped in shipping or something causing enough force to torque the cooler loose on the motherboard while it was shipped for the first time or it wasn't installed properly in the first place. Once it is installed properly then there should be zero worry of it coming loose.

Forum Topic "First PC (need opinions)"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 12 days ago

This is the route I would go with. CPUs and GPUs are the more expensive part to upgrade later on so getting better ones now is actually a smarter option. Sure 500gb can fill up fast especially with a good sized steam library but additional drives are one of the easiest upgrades one can do. Can easily get ~3TB7200rpm hdd later down the road for around $100 CAD or even a 2TB7200rpm for under $70 CAD. At least a 500Gb ssd can have windows and some of your most played games on it easily enough so it is fine to use by itself for now.

Forum Topic "PC Upgrade"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 12 days ago

Well either way you go it will be a night and day difference as an upgrade from your FX CPU. I used to use a FX 8320 OC to 4.7 GHz and had upgraded since myself. I got 2 PCs now a r7 1800x (april 2017) as my main rig and a pentium G4600 (summer 2017) as an HTPC. Right now the HTPC has the video card that used to be in the FX system (RX 470) and even that cheap pentium runs circles around the old FX CPU in game performance. The r3 2200g is still a better CPU than the g4600 as it can overclock past the 3.6GHz pentium and has 4 actual cores instead of 2 so the gap from the 2200g will be even larger compared to the FX CPU.

I know budget can really be an issue for some but sometimes you can get deals on the 1600 for a really good price so I did want to mention that. If you can wait till the 6 core r3 release then that may be an option too but considering you got an FX cpu now upgrading that would be a priority for gaming.

When I was still playing World of Warcraft I did a post on their forums showing the difference of that FX CPU and my other 2 PCs (1800x+g4600) and all 3 used the exact same video card moved between them. It really wasn't scientific since I no longer had the FX system to test and show things more in depth but I still got over double the FPS gains with much higher system settings between the FX and pentium CPUs. That forum thread can be found here: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20763186195

Forum Topic "PC Upgrade"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 12 days ago

A GTX 1060 6gb or RX 580 8GB card will do great for 1080p. The 1660 TI is looking to be a great value for 1440p gaming however not sure if that will be in your price range.

Though due to how far behind the FX CPU is behind even that r3 2200g will be a night and day difference in performance. Though if you can spare it try and get a r5 1600 or 2600. Either would be better than the 2200g because they both are 6 core 12 thread over 4 core 4 thread on the r3. Also for overclocking the 1600 is about on par with the 2200g for raw clock rates and the 2600 can do a bit better. Just a consideration as modern games are starting to scale with more than 4 cores and the added cores can make a difference in performance.

8GB of ram is a bit on the bare minimal these days for gaming but isn't a bad option since that motherboard has 4 ram slots so you can always upgrade later on without having to take out those 2x4gb sticks.

Another consideration is if you can spare it a SSD is a game changer for a PC over just a mechanical HDD. It will not improve FPS but faster boot times, faster game loads, faster overall system responsiveness is totally worth it. Also 250-500gb SSDs are cheaper than ever these days.

Forum Topic "Need Some Opinions On Different Parts..."

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 12 days ago

What are you doing with your PC? Gaming, streaming, content creation, 3d rendering, etc? If all you are doing is gaming and streaming 64GB of ram is way overkill as 16GB of ram will be plenty for that kind of workload. The other things such as content creation and other more demanding workloads might be able to take advantage of that kind of ram depending on how much you do.

As far as thermal paste goes you can save a few bucks by using the thermal paste that comes with the cooler and not buy any extra. Generally thermal paste that comes with a high end cooler is generally decent and getting the "top of the line" thermal paste may only improve temps by like 1c at best.

As for storage I agree with LIVE_AMMO. In my main rig I have 2 SSDs and 3 3tb HDDs. My main NVMe SSD has a couple of my most played games and windows installed and my second SSD is for a scratch drive when doing video editing. My HDDs are bulk storage and backup for all the media that I store on my PC. I have a second HTPC hooked up to my PC and the 120gb SSD is the boot drive and the 275GB SSD is where I install some steam drives to but I can access my HDDs over the network to play any video I got stored on my main system.

As for VRAM just consider getting the right GPU power for 1440p or 4k and those cards should have enough build in vram for the task. Generally any kind of GPU to game on 4k will have a bare minimal of 8GB of vram and can get more but a RTX 2080 will do great for 4k 60hz. Though nothing beats high refresh rates for smoothness of gaming so 1440p 144hz tends to be overall the best for gaming experience these days. LTT did a video comparing 1080p high refresh/1440p high refresh/4k low refresh to see how it affects user experience. Still even with 1440p 8GB vram should be ample today.

jon_peter's Completed Build: Pancake_001

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 2 points 12 days ago

Rest in Peace Pancake Vol 1

jon_peter's Completed Build: Pancake_v2

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 2 points 13 days ago

Those first 4 pictures were really hard to look at........ Hope you can get the jerk who did that to pay for it!

Forum Topic "Best cup cooler for i9 9900k"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 13 days ago

The air cooler I am using on my CPU is a beast. This will show the temps I get with a Dark Rock Pro 3 cooler on an 1800x OC to 4.0 GHz @ 1.381v. Even when adding the GPU in the mix and only doing the FPU test on the CPU I still can't get my CPU to hit 60c. Had a discussion about this with Mark5916 the matter in this thread. As throttle temps are 100c I got over 40c of thermal headroom on the cpu so that is more than enough cooling though that is a high end air cooler that beats some of the 240mm AIO coolers on the market.

Forum Topic "Dark Rock Pro 4 vs H100i v2"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 13 days ago

Ahh, when I saw the reviews on the DRP4 it seems all they changed was the mounting bracket and a few aesthetics but overall it was the same cooler as the DRP3. Going with my experience with the DRP3 I know it does cover the first PCIe slot on my motherboard so I thought as the dimensions were the same it could have the same issue.

Though from looking at that pic it is really close. I don't see a backplate and I would worry about solder points potentially touching the cooler and if there is room for a backplate to fit in between.

Forum Topic "Spoiler and Intel"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 13 days ago

Reminds me of CTS Labs report on an AMD version of meltdown and specter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ7H1WTqaeo

Talk about overblown hype and malicious publications of said bugs.

Forum Topic "Best cup cooler for i9 9900k"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 13 days ago

Many budget air coolers are going to be rated above 95w tdp anyhow. The Be Quiet Pure Rock slim that is often found under $30 is 120w tdp and the hyper 212 evo is rated for 150w tdp. Many other budget coolers out there will be in that range and high end air coolers are enough to show up and beat some of the 240mm AIO coolers. Just don't underestimate what a decent air cooler can do.

Forum Topic "Dark Rock Pro 4 vs H100i v2"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 2 points 13 days ago

If you are running an ITX gaming build then I would suspect you are also using a graphics card in that one PCIe x16 slot that is available. The DRP4 (and pro 3) coolers do cover the first PCIe slot and if you need that for a video card then the cooler will simply be too large.

To give an example look at this motherboard: AB350M Pro4 and look at the PCIe slots. You will see the top slot is a 1x slot for a wifi card and the 2nd slot down is for the video card. Now look at my pc build with that same motherboard and the DRP3 cooler (same size as the 4) and see how close that cooler is to the video card.

Don't get me wrong that cooler is a beast and I have a hard time getting my CPU to hit 60c under artificial stress test in AIDA64 on an overclocked 8 core Ryzen. The Dark Rock Pro can beat some of the 240mm AIO coolers out there but only by a couple of degrees. It has the benefit of no pump noise, less possible parts to fail, was cheaper for me at the time compared to AIO. Downfall is the massive amount of space it takes up. The DRP4 is like the 3 but has a better mounting bracket and ceramic painting to give a darker black finish but it cools about the same and is the same size.

Forum Topic "Silent cpu cooler question"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 13 days ago

I got the older DRP3 cooler which is the same size as the 4 and low profile ram is low enough to fit under the fan in front of the cooler. Worst case scenario you can move that fan to the other side of the cooler in pull config instead of push. The biggest worry I would consider about is both those coolers blocks the very top PCIe slot on the motherboard so make sure your board as a 1x slot as the top while the 16x slot is the second one down.

Take a look at my PC build for reference: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/b/MnLJ7P

Forum Topic "Fan placement in new build"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 2 points 13 days ago

You can easily have the AIO for back exhaust and 2 be quiet fans as top exhaust. Then keep the 3 stock LED fans as front intake. 3 fans in and 3 fans out and that would be rather balanced for airflow. Will be like a wind tunnel in the case.

Forum Topic "Cheap small Ryzen 5 2400g build"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 2 points 15 days ago

Here is an updated part list that is under $620

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3 GHz 8-Core Processor $159.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler $29.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $83.98 @ Newegg
Memory G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $79.99 @ Newegg
Storage SanDisk - SSD PLUS 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $49.99 @ Newegg
Storage Hitachi - Deskstar 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $49.99 @ Amazon
Video Card MSI - GeForce GT 710 2 GB Video Card $47.99 @ Amazon
Case SAMA - Maxcool-BK-15LEDLight MicroATX Mid Tower Case $49.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply EVGA - 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $44.99 @ Monoprice
Optical Drive Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer $20.40 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $617.29
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-06 19:03 EST-0500

If you don't need GPU power at all outside from just being a video out then a super cheap GPU or basic integrated graphics will be enough. Going this route will allow you to get an 8 core 16 thread CPU which will do an awesome job over the 2400g and can also overclock. Depending on silicon lotto you may OC it to 3.7 to 4.0 GHz. I did keep the optical drive but if you have one in your old PC you can just take that out and re-use it too. I did change the SSD to only a 480GB one as only his programs and scratch drive space used by adobe likely won't need more than that but also a 3TB HDD which will be great for holding a much larger video/picture library for bulk storage.

Forum Topic "Cheap small Ryzen 5 2400g build"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 15 days ago

Yeah, sorry. I deleted the post after I re-read the original part and missed the last paragraph the first time. Though I was looking into other options for the use of basic photo and video editing.

Forum Topic "My first build please come and tell me if it’s good"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 2 points 15 days ago

If you can squeeze it I would recommend getting a larger SSD for your boot drive. 120GB will fill up FAST. The 480GB ssds out now have a great price per GB such as the 480GB version of that kingston a400 SSD. It would give more room to install a few of your most played games on the SSD so you can have SSD speeds when loading games/maps.

Forum Topic "Two Paycheck PC"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 16 days ago

The M2 is only for system boot.

Just to note that the really small capacity SSDs tend to be slower than the larger SSDs so I can be sure the MX500 1tb SSD will be faster than the 120GB m/2 SSD as it was still a sata based M.2 anyhow. That means if you install windows on the 1TB SSD it will have slightly faster boot and load times compared to the 120gb ssd. This video explain why that is rather well. There is no real point in getting a 120gb SSD as you can just partition the 1TB ssd into 2 partitions if you really want to keep your OS off the steam library section.

no no no on that case. That thing is UGLY.

Case choice is 30% function 70% aesthetics, pick which one you like that fits in your budget.

Forum Topic "first build relatively budget"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 16 days ago

6 core faster CPU and faster ram, this would make a much better gaming PC. Saved money by getting a less expensive rx 580 8gb card and a far less expensive motherboard can make a huge difference in the other parts in the system. I got the Asrock AB350m Pro4 motherboard (the 350 chipset of that exact same board) and it was easily able to support my 1800x @ 4.0 GHz stable since I got it in april 2017 so it is a good board. The 450 chipset version has the same VRMs (and VRM cooling) so it should be a decent overclocker for a Ryzen CPU.

Forum Topic "Which cpu 200ge or 2200g"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 19 days ago

A HTPC is actually really nice to have. I get loads of use out of mine from gaming to streaming media to even having a 2nd PC to access when company comes over. Far more useful than getting an Amazon Fire TV Stick.

TheArsonator's Completed Build: The Beast (My 2017 Build)

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 1 point 19 days ago

Here is hoping you can get a nice CPU upgrade in the near future and get off the FX platform! A modern Ryzen or Intel will have a sizable performance boost for your games even with that GTX 980 TI (still an awesome GPU).

Forum Topic "Custom loop vs AIO"

Tetsuclaw 5 Builds 2 points 19 days ago

Custom loop Pros:

  • Fully Customizable
  • Higher cooling capacity
  • Better quality parts especially pumps (d5 pump compared to AIO pumps)
  • Can use more than 1 radiator
  • Can get water blocks for just about everything

Custom loop Cons:

  • Costs a lot more
  • Maintenance schedule
  • Can be a lot of work to install
  • More chances for user induced failures such as not securing a fitting correctly

AIO Pros:

  • Much cheaper than custom loops
  • No maintenance schedule
  • Far easier to install

AIO Con:

  • Lower cooling than custom loop but still is a strong performer
  • Often if a part fails you may need to replace the whole cooler

Also future proofing isn't much of a concern when it comes to coolers outside the ability to get a new bracket if a new socket comes out. That counts for all coolers. If I buy an AIO for a PC and use it till the PC is obsolete and needs an upgrade by then the cooler will be many years old and I may not want to use the same AIO in a future build. With a custom loop I would be changing tubes and such but can still reuse components of it. Also a solid air cooler like what I got I would use again.

As for performance I believe Gamers Nexus has tested many of those coolers so you can compare the AIOs performance and consider the costs you find each one at in your area. As for custom loop costs I would not bother with putting budget to that unless I am already getting the top of the line parts to cool with it. A RTX 2080 on it's stock cooler will outperform a RTX 2070 on liquid cooling for game FPS for example. Keep in mind that AIOs do still perform well enough to handle some higher overclocks so you don't need to feel like you are limiting yourself by not going custom loop.

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