The case comes with 1 200mm fan. I would recommend simply having a tower cooler on the cpu which blows in the same direction as the big fan, and making sure your gpu will fit since there is not a huge amount of space.
The 200mm fan? Yeah comes with the case. Seems reasonably good since it blows over everything, and isn't too loud. 200mm definitely gives a great compromise between noise and airflow.
To be fair I posted this 5 years ago, and this combination was fine to be honest.
I've upgraded to a threadripper 1920x now anyway so no problem on the cpu front (not got round to posting the build).
Before you buy a new motherboard etc, it could be worth trying undervolting the cpu in order to reduce strain on the vrms etc by reducing the cpus power usage.
Usually this can be done without reducing performance, and sometimes is possible to balance an undervolt with a small overclock.
This could save you money towards the next build you are planning, rather than buying another am3+ motherboard!
You can also try putting a small fan directly over the vrms to cool them.
Good luck with the skylake build :-)
You realise I posted this almost exactly 2 years ago, right?
What is the point of commenting that rubbish now?
Nice build! I think you're right about the 650ti being a bit dated - if you aren't gaming on this machine then something like either an rx460 or gtx 1050 would be great for dual/triple screen, and lower power usage than the 650ti.
Looking at your piriform speccy sheet I think you missed off a few hdds from your part list!
Got any more pics of the full set up (with the monitors etc?)
I don't think I'd bother going from a 4.8Ghz 6300 to something like an 8350 at this point - there's no guarantee you'll get anywhere near that speed with a new chip.
If I were you, I'd leave it as it is, that chip should perform fine alongside the r9 390, and just wait and save your money for the zen cpus to come out or something!
Don't know much about prices in the US to say if those are good deals, but I want to say that if you are thinking of overclocking, and specifically the CPU, an aftermarket air cooler is probably important.
Also - you say you don't need much space, but if you want all your games installed, a 1tb hard drive will supplement then SSD nicely - bear in mind that windows alone will use up quite a lot of space, and hard drive space is relatively cheap, and with good enough performance for most games.
+1 for a lovely looking all AMD build, but I have to ask why the firestrike result shows an fx-6300 and your parts list shows an 8350?
Sounds like you have a broken slot then as all the ram should be recognised regardless of whether they are in the correct slot for dual channel.
Dual channel or not, it will still detect all of the ram if it is installed correctly, and the motherboard is in full working condition.
Well the board is an fm2 board, not an fm2+ board so it isn't even compatible with the 860k.
Given this I would guess, because of the low availability of fm2 boards, that the 750ti was possibly added some time after the build was initially completed.
The 5800k should still be a pretty decent CPU, just hope he's overclocking with that monster cooler!
First time I've seen an AMD home server build, It's great! +1
When benchmarking there is a very small difference between dual channel (using two sticks) and single channel (single stick). This is considered to next to unnoticeable in day-to-day use, so as suggested whatever's cheapest is a good solution.
However, if you buy 4 sticks and your motherboard only has 4 slots, you will not be able to upgrade in the future.
Therefore for best (theoretical) performance, and future upgradeability, I would suggest 2x8gb sticks if you initially want 16gb of ram. You can then buy another 2x8gb in the future if you need it.
+1, I like it but the ram just seems a bit too over the top considering the rest of the specs - I'd just take one of the sticks out and save it to put 8gb in another basic build if you plan on reselling more :-)
I definitely think against mid-range i5's the 8-core AMD chips are competitive, and certainly they have good performance considering the price, but the performance gap between an 8350 and a 5930k will be massive.
+1 for a nice clean simple well budgeted build!
I stand corrected then!
Probably a long term upgrade path then is to go for an unlocked i7 (-> possibly some more overclock friendly cooling) -> overclock, then -> Z97 board - if overclock is unsatisfactory.
Personally I wouldn't bother going from an i5 to an unlocked i5 without specifically having an overclocking motherboard, and at that point I'd probably sell the i5 + motherboard + ram as a bundle on ebay and go unlocked skylake i5/i7 or something.
+1 for a nice build - did you upgrade slowly or all at once?
There is no point getting a i5/i7 k cpu, since you have a H97 board, I don't think you'll be able to overclock - you need a Z97 board for that. It could be worth getting one of the high model i7's though, for the increased clock rate, and hyperthreading.
You could always get a k cpu then upgrade the motherboard later?
Basically I just set the speed as 2133Mhz and it booted, so I ran benchmarks and it passed everything, and that's that!
I should tell you as well that I noticed a big increase in min fps when I clocked the ram as high as possible - it was originally 1600Mhz, but I overclocked it to 2133Mhz and the min fps is much higher.
What gpu you going for? I think I'm getting a r9 380/380x for it soon - should boost performance quite a bit, and can get rid of the igpu overclock and maybe increase the cpu overclock.
This highest gpu clock I got was 1.3Ghz, with a voltage of 1.345, but I'm not comfortable with that voltage - or the temps that come with it. It only required 1.17v for 1.25Ghz (one step down for nearly 0.2v) so I've left it at that.
Since you have are getting the i7, which starts at a slightly higher gpu clock (1.15Ghz instead of 1.1Ghz), you may be able to get above 1.3Ghz on an overclock without too much voltage, if your cooler is up to it.
With high speed ram and igpu as high as possible you'll be more than happy with just the igpu performance! Good luck with your build, don't forget to post it! We need to spread the word of broadwell!
I haven't tried single channel ram to be honest.
It's better than I thought it would be, by far, I get:
60fps+ on maximum settings TF2
30ish fps medium settings Killing Floor 2
30fps Low on black ops 3 - bit of a struggle with 3.9Ghz overclock and 1.25Ghz igpu
I sort of wish I'd gone for the i7! I had no issues whatsoever.
I believe you need to use a z97 chipset board, and it should work out of the box, but I had to update the BIOS to get overclocking options for the iGPU - that may be the only problem you have.
Haha yeah at a Lan party recently a guy was used to borderlands 2 on the xbox 360, he was blown away when I played in 4k at max settings (which I got just over 60fps average with 8350 + 980)
I've got my 8350 at 4.3Ghz and since I'm happy with the speed I just undervolted it, save power and temps and increase system longevity - that's good enough for me!
Well a safe overclock is whatever you can get without too high voltages and temperatures! People get the 8350 up to 5Ghz on water, and around 4.8Ghz on air, maybe with a 212 evo you could manage 4.4 or 4.5?
In terms of voltage apparently the fx chips can go really high, but the way I do things is just up the multiplier until it crashes, then up the voltage until it doesn't, and repeat until I'm not happy with the voltage/temps.
If it's happy at 4.2 it might be worth seeing how low you can get the voltage, for power saving!
There is a difference between being cheap and paying a low price for good quality though.
Being cheap would be buying an fx-4100 with an old 760 chipset board, not getting a good price on an 8320 and a 970 board!
AMD sensors have a problem with sensors at a low temperature, so the best thing to do is ensure the load temperature is not too high.
Honestly it's just a case of the lower the better.
I'd be happy with anything 75 degrees C and under at load. If your temperatures are lower than that at load but the pc is loud, it is fine to try and lower the fan speeds to decrease noise at the cost of some temperature.
There should be some fan options in the BIOS - and if you like, check the temperatures before and after flipping the 120mm fan round - I bet they're lower!
If you have enough fan headers on your motherboard, and the bios has good fan control, I would just flip the 120mm round, and use both the 80mm and the 120mm, they won't have to run as fast then, and the system should be quieter.
An 80mm fan trying to achieve the same airflow as a 120mm fan will have to spin faster and will therefore be louder.
A vm should run faster with the host system having a faster cpu should it not? 4.2Ghz is a pretty good boost for a 8320!
Gotta love pricing errors! I'm surprised they honoured it! Best I've managed is 2x4Gb of Kingston HyperX ram for £17.44 - I bought 3 thinking they wouldn't honour so now I've ended up with some spare ram (good stuff too - it's ddr3l @ 1866Mhz).
+1 as it's nice but I have to ask why you have 3 small ssds instead of just one 500GB? More pictures would be nice too if possible!
Any plans to overclock?
If you are exhausting air from the side with a 120mm fan, I'd flip it round to an intake and get a filter for it. The cpu cooler will be trying to pull air in, and will therefore be fighting for airflow against the more powerful 120mm fan.
Otherwise +1 for a nice build, plenty of leeway for gpu upgrades in the future given the cpu, but perhaps not the psu - you could have maybe gone for a 750ti without much of an increase in budget.
The skylake i5's have a integrated gpu called the HD 530, so the pc will still be perfectly usable, and will be able to game older titles pretty well, and should handle newer titles at 720p resolution or 1080p with low settings.
Personally I'd buy a working pc without a dedicated gpu and just wait, glad to help!
Depends what OP wants I guess, some people will never overclock so in that case it wouldn't really be worth it.
I agree though, it's less hassle to swap only a cpu than swap a motherboard, since you'll basically be rebuilding the entire system.
In terms of the motherboard though, we don't know yet whether intels next series of chip will also work in the lga 1151 motherboards, in which case overclocking may not be necessary at all, since a direct drop in upgrade may be able to take place.
If this is the build you have listed in your profile, and you are asking to try and boost game performance, you will notice the biggest difference from upgrading the gpu; I would got for something like a 960/970 or r9 380/r9 380x (any of these will probably require a psu upgrade too). I wouldn't bother going from a 750ti to a 950 as you suggested, I don't think the difference will be worth it, better to go a few models higher.
Then I would try playing some games, monitoring cpu usage, and if the usage is very high and games stutter, try overclocking your cpu to something like 4.2Ghz or higher to alleviate the bottleneck. This should be fine with your aftermarket cooler.
What are your current specs?
The 6600k should be a great chip, but as others have said, don't bother with a k edition processor unless you plan to overclock it.
Any skylake i5 will be good enough for "a while", but in terms of the motherboard, if you don't get a k edition processor you don't really need a z170 motherboard, and can save money with a cheaper skylake chipset (such as b150, as suggested by CoopBro) - also is size a factor, would you like a mini, or micro-atx build? And built in wifi?
Let me know about whether you want overclocking and I'll try and recommend a good cpu/mobo comination!
Yes you can do this if you want, the cheapest skylake cpu at the moment is the G4400. There are a couple of higher clocked version of this model (G4500 and G4520), but the price starts getting to the point where you might as well try and get an i3, so I would say to get this one if you really want a pentium, or your budget just cannot stretch far enough.
Depending on your plan it might make more sense to splash out on an i5 skylake, and suffer integrated graphics until you can afford a gpu; or get the best gpu you can afford with the i5, and then upgrade the gpu further when you can afford it; it is much easier to swap a gpu than a cpu, and in gaming the i5 shouldn't bottleneck nearly any graphics card.
All this is assuming you will use the pc for gaming. Let me know if you have some other use in mind.
I have the i5 in one of my builds, and the integrated gpu is amazing, and both the cpu and gpu overclock well, and it uses a 14nm process so uses less power than haswell, and is on the same socket.
Not liking the numbering/naming is a really terrible reason not to like something.
Also, there is at least one i5 and one i7 for socket lga 1150, and one of my builds is even using a Broadwell cpu - on that socket.
He is talking about replacing the CPU heatsink and fan rather than the case fans.
Even a load of low speed case fans won't change the high pitch whine of the AMD stock cooler! utah is right that the hyper 212 evo is a much quieter choice, as I have made this upgrade myself, and it is not too expensive.
This is only if the volume annoys you though, if it does not, for gaming a graphics card upgrade should be your first upgrade (budget permitting!) in my opinion.
+1 for a great am3+ build! Much cleaner than mine!
One thing I've been trying to increase efficiency of my 8350 is undervolting - if you are happy with the performance of your CPU this is a good option as it decreases power use without degrading performance (if stable!)
Congrats on being featured :-)
Are you using molex to 6-pin adapters on your GPU? You should really use the 6 pin cables supplied with the PSU. It is always better to use direct cabling where possible, and you should have plenty of the correct cabling.
Otherwise it's a nice build, +1
+1 for a nice build - how's the power use with the 9590? I've got my 8350 up to 4.3Ghz and it's not too bad.
Did you actually buy the ram as 4 separate 4gb kits?
Yes please :-)
Edit : Also that is a hell of a lot of ram considering cpu/gpu combination (in my opinion).
+1 for a nice build, with plenty of scope for upgrades in the future!
+1 for a nice build - though I hope there's some ventilation if it lives in that cupboard!
Cool so the Ram pretty much runs at 1600Mhz anyway?
4.45ghz is a nice overclock! I have an 8350 and I've managed 4.3Ghz, but that's only with a Hyper 212 evo; I've been considering a watercooler for a while now lol, might be worth it!
+1 for a nice clean build - although you seem to have mismatched ram? What speed do you run them all at? Have to ask what sort of overclock you've managed?
If it is potentially going to be a long time before an upgrade, the i5 and 390 option could be the way to go - although the 390x is only an extra $40 on top of your 970 and should give good performance boost.
If you are planning to upgrade soon it might make more sense to go for an i3 rather than i5, you'll still get 4 threads and looking at the cheapest i3 you can save around $75 and it has a 0.5Ghz speed bump, so I can't see the performance being any worse really.
I see someone has recommended the r9 390, if you make this change you can have the r9 390x and still save money!