No worries! It's my favorite mini tower case. The frame is quite strong.
Welcome to NCase M1 Club. Thank you!
Image 20/21 shows my system with the air cooler before I water cooled.
Indeed, it is. It will fit. Make sure NO wires get near its fan. Unfortunately, a wire got in the way any snapped a blade. Use cable ties and make sure the fans have cleareance
Indeed, how do your GPU temps fair with the custom cooler?
Guess you'll have to try to know, then.
Ah, I see. You would need to modify to make it work. Thankfully there are many other great cases.
hmmm...you might be able to get away with 1mm. I don't think my case is rated for 15mm areas, either. My drive presses right against the panel. Meh, it's gamble. I personally okay with some panel bowing as long it stays shut.
Yeah it arrives tightly packed in anti-static bag. The unit I bought came from Amazon and the packaging is superb. Small box BUT it is tightly cushioned in high quality foam. The foam is so nice that I am reusing it for sound reduction on my walls. I use more foam than obviously. The bag is worth keeping too. I keep all anti-static bags. Anything else, is recycled.
For OEM, it was packed better than any off-the-shelf packaging for a HDD.
Freeza has a boner
Honestly, if audio is a concern, I recommend looking into DAC's. You can learn about DAC's from TekSyndicate, which is now Crit on YouTube. They explain that stuff well.
Oh, I have not updated, this page. I actually am using the ASRock Fatal1ty ITX/ac, now.
Hmm, that's another good question. Honestly, when it comes onboard audio, I have NOT noticed any quality issues from ATX down to even ITX. Onboard audio has come a long way since it was ever a noticeable issue in quality.
I've actually tested 5.1 audio with my headset and it played all the speakers just fine (then again, my headset might just outputting 5.1 virtually). As for actual 5.1 speaker sets, you might need some sort of adapter, perhaps that can be done via USB. Would not personally know.
Sound is good, as far as I cant tell.
If 5.1 speaker sets are a must and don't want to fiddle with USB adapters for the ASRock board, then it might be best to just go with the Gigabyte board, for the sake of ease.
I have a 2.1 speaker set and I am only content with it just for the subwoofer.
Sooo, your choice is going to depend on how much you really want the 5.1 experience or if you are content with 2.1 (stereo w/subwoofer). Sorry I can't be any more clear than that. It's just a matter of personal preference.
the type connector is nice, but not worth for me yet. It will take some time for that be more applicable, unless you personally benefit from it now.
I actually have that ASRock Mobo. It is quite a little beast for OC'ing and it's not even ASRock's flagship varient!
The Gigabyte isn't bad at all but the ASRock components are better. The Gigabyte mobo doesn't even have a heat sink over its MosFet's on the VRM. Yeah, USB placements are funky.
Bottomline: Go for the ASRock.
Ah, if this system is portable I have care tips for your drives. I recommend monitoring the drives' health or replacing them every 2-3 years. Any laptop I use with HDD's will die, eventually. I got lucky with 5 years but, man, it was slowwww and I backed it all up a week before it died.
Nice. I am the same, way: use all the space :)
Hard choice, for sure. That 10TB drive is tempting, too ;)
Yeah, man. Good luck!
No worries, happy to share.
Two?! Now, I'm drooling, haha.
Indeed, it's a steep price. I will have the say that build quality is superb and cleverly designed. You won't notice unless see one face to face. Node 202 is a fantastic case for the price. My friends have built with that case and love it. It sounds like you have a fun build, soon. Yeah, I can't imagine a great resell value for the NCase M1 unless you are specifically commissioned to build with it for a client. It's a shame the case is not widely available but it nice to it take off since their KickStarter.
I see. Very, nice. SSHD's are amazing.
Right on. You'll won't be disappointed if you are strictly using the 5TB HDD as a storage drive. High quality videos will run just fine off of it, too.
Yes, all drives will become slower as more files are stored. The effects aren't noticeable until you hit 70%. I don't ever go more than 85%.
Nice, clean setup. I dig it.
Hmm, these are good questions.
Noise: I don't notice it spinning even when my system is whisper quite. You'll hear it if you are trying to listen to it. It's not an issue for me.
Speed: Good. Can't complain for how much is packed into a 2.5" form factor! It's 5400RPM, so it ain't slow but it ain't fast. I personally use it for all of work files and it doesn't limit any of my project load times, but expect it to have slower load times for any games you put on it. That's just inherent of any HDD, compared to SSD, of course. However, it will be a long time before this drive lags, due to filling past 75% capacity.
Size: This may be 2.5" but it is twice is thick than a normal drive of this size. Plan accordingly. I got lucky with placing it on the front panel, barely.
It's my favorite storage drive, yet :)
Lol, you can't really notice in my current images because of the glass surface ;)
Niceeee. Yeah, I am looking at some of other kinds offered. I need to buy ones that are a little taller than the ones you bought and thankfully they are available. They'll just take some time to trek halfway around the globe.
Nice! I want try using those FLIR cams. Dude, one time I "tested" the VRM heat with my finger. I burned myself a little. I don't recommend it, haha ;)
Thanks, the temps are mind blowing. I can hit 5.2Ghz stable with the chiller. Achievement unlocked! I'll shoot a message when I make the page. The water chilling unit is 2.5x bigger than the NCase M1 xD
I use my workstation for 3d animation. Chilling unit is not needed when I animate. That would be overkill and wasted power (450W just from the chiller). I use the chilling unit when I am spitting out the final renders, which renders for days or weeks.
Indeed, ordering the FrozenQ rezzy will take at least 3 weeks if you order from their site. Thankfully they respond fairly quick if you message them. Yeah, order the part from another vendor if you can. I wasn't able to use the rezz in my build, unfortunately. My build setup simply is not compatible to have an expandable loop with that rezz. I might end up selling it.
Anyways, considering most here are SFF users I have one warning about another component y'all might come across for your current and/or future builds: The Swiftech Apogee Drive II (CPU block/pump combo). DO NOT buy this directly from Aero Cooler. I tried to buy this from them and I canceled after waiting for over a month (it was weeks over due), plus I had a deadline. Customer support was terrible. They don't give you clear responses and will not answer their phone. I nearly had to file a claim with my bank to get my money back.
Also, their location is a 30min drive away from the Swiftech HQ. They told me "the unit still needed to reproduced from the manufacturer in China..." The irony, eh? xD Buy that block/pump anywhere else!
Hope that helps, haha.
Thank you for sharing your case feet mod! This is most helpful. Right now my case rests on the bolts from my bottom rad, haha.
Woah. This is the most beautiful NCase M1 build and setup I have seen. Great job on the lighting!
Now, I understand why you asked about my FW121's on my side rad, haha. I also wanted some way to dissipate the heat from the VRM on the mobo. Btw, I will be creating a new build page for Mini Myte. It is now quick-disconnected with a water chilling system.
Wish I could give extra points for the cat xD
Thank you, Chapeau!
Yes, so about the Silverstones. I chose them, initially, because I originally wanted to follow TekM's build guide. My build could not follow TekM's build to a Tee, as you will see. Ideally, I wanted Noctuas on the side rad because I do have them. Thankfully, mcbirds, confirmed Noctua's or regular-sized fans would fit. I tried it and I got lucky with my current fittings (they slightly push against my PSU but there have been no leaks so far!
Yeah, I'm waiting for the slim 120mm Noctua's, too. *sigh. Indeed, the FW121's are decent for as slim as they are; however having them on the side rad was noisier than I preferred. Now, I have Noctua's on the side as pull AND I relocated those 2 Silverstone FW121's externally at the bottom rad, just now. So, essentially, I have a push/pull configuration of FW121's on my bottom rad. The nuts and bolts of the bottom rad extend further than the NCase's own pillar stands, atm!
So, to be clear about the FW121's:
If you do all rads with just FW121's it will still be noisier than you might like; HOWEVER, if you configure with Noctua's on the side it WILL be whisper quite; EVEN if you don't add the 2 extra FW121's as an external push to the bottom rad. This configuration can sustain temps as low as 30C @ idle, quietly. All I can hear is the low whine of my pump! Right now, my fans only hits ~800RPM while rendering in 3D applications (Cinebench, Maya)!
About the 120mm slim Noctuas...They are hard to develop due to the challenges in their R&D findings. One of the hurdles included the fans' structural integrity; meaning, that the blades' design had flaws in retaining it's shape over time. Despite the thin design of the blades, the hardness/flexibility of the experimental fans showed that the blades stretch out over time due to centrifugal forces "pulling" them out. This is problematic as the blades will eventually grind up against the fan edges due to centrifugal stretching.
Ah, that makes more sense, lol. Dude, water chillers are so...cool. Ba-da-dum xD Only recommend chillers if you have a need for 24/7 sub-ambience, very niche.
Psh! It's already pressing against the PSU, haha.
I recommend 3D printing some custom brackets if you want to update your cooler. Shapeways is fantastic for that. If you don't have time or know how to design it, there are tons of freelance 3D modelers that you can commission. PM if you are interest, I know a modeler that might be to do able to that.
I was about to ask about the noise levels with your stock cooler. Despite the slight noise, you've done a great job with optimal efficiency for what you use your system for. You do have overclocking potential BUT it's definitely not necessary for what you do as you already know. The 970 is a wonderful card, still. It was my first high end card and was well worth it for the price, served me well in rendering.
Nice work. Love the power switch mod.
I just recently finished my own NCase M1 build. It's amazing how versatile and how it is cleverly designed.
pretty. well done.
Where is the water chiller? I just received my water chilling unit, EXC-800. Sub-ambient is such an interesting realm :)
post a link when you finish your NCase M1 build, I would like to see :)
Holy rads, Batman! It was hard enough cramming 2 in my NCase M1, haha. Well, done. Temps?
It is quieter, now :)
So I got lucky. I was actually able to exhaust with fittings>rad>fans>mountbracket. Just barely though. I had to remove the extenders on the rotary fittings. Mount bracket bows at the screw points but not enough to prevent me from snapping in the panel.
Thanks for the tips, mcbirds!
Thanks! I got lucky with my pump/res mounting. No drilling. I just used the top 2 points through the exhaust vents. I could have drilled for the bottom points but it holds okay for now. Alternatively you can use all 4 points if you mount the pump higher.
Woah. Okay, you convinced me, haha. I do have 2 noctuas lying around, though I will try to pull this off with the fans on the outside and with the rad on the inside. I want to exhaust instead pull into case this time. The Silverstones are not terribly loud but I would prefer it to be a little quieter without compromising high air flow.
This is the most beautiful milk and gold theme I've ever seen.
Thanks, niinq! It's only been up for a couple days but I appreciate the enthusiasm. Glad to see people enjoy it so far :)
This was my 1st custom loop and it quite a learning curve. TekM, the builder I was inspired by, made his NCase M1 loop look so easy. I am just happy that it works! xD
I really want to. The problem with the side rad is that it is too, thick. I should have bought a duplicate of the bottom rad because that one is slimmer. I'll update the page if I get chance to replace that side rad.
I am not sure what fans I should use. Noctuas, Vardars, or Gentle Typhoons...
I uploaded more ;)
Ha! It might break my backpack due to the weight. Hand carrying is quite manuverable :)
Thank you Nater650! It is the toughest build I have ever tried, despite emulating much of TekM's NCase M1 build log. Soooo many things went wrong during my build but it was worth it xD
Yeah, it's a must for any workstations I upgrade, otherwise I would just take a the gamble if I was strictly gaming. It will cost more, fyi.
Thank you! You got it, mate.
By the render Gods and Goddesses...WHAT THE WHAT?!
I don't think this would work if I rendered with this. I would likely have to hire a software engineer to make my render engines fully compatible with all those threads, hahaaa.
These are wonderful! Thanks for sharing this, Rexper