Well, it's not everyday you see something with G-Uniq branding and - wait -
fitting the brick in the otherwise wasted space under the GPU
fitting the brick in the otherwise wasted space under the GPU
Wha- how did- I don't- I've gotta say, that was unexpected indeed. Did he fab his own power converting system or did he remove and reassemble an existing AC-DC solution? Is there even space for a transformer down there or is it all solid state with some sort of controller? I'm... wow. What are the power limits on your system? 8700T would seem to sip power but the 2070 is no slouch. What kind of watts are you drawing, maybe 200W or so full load? And the way the C7Cu heatsink fits and looks... absolutely gorgeous. Wonderful aesthetic.
Gury really makes me rethink what's possible in power delivery. My builds so far have used standard SFX PSUs but I am itching to jump into the world of space efficient DC builds.
All that cooled on a single rad and two slim fans... Phenomenal job! Nice performance bracket, supremely clean build - you've got it all.
My eyes bulged out when I saw how tightly you packed things. Excellent work! I didn't even realize you could fit a 3.5" drive in the M1. Between that, your CPU cooler, and the Accelero, you are making excellent use of that bad boy. Looking at benchmarks, I really don't think you're missing out on anything with RTX or 9000 series.
From one of the other comments, I'm watching for Ryzen 3000 with great interest too. I was saddled with my 7600K riiiight before the first-gen Ryzen released so I have even more build-regret than you do.
Neat build! I admire the QBX case's compatibility. Good build with a fun story and excellent writeup.
Nice to see the GEEEK cases getting some love here. I'm kind of stunned by how many fans you're able to fit in there! Do you have an idea of how big their impact is (i.e. experimented by disconnecting them and running some programs)?
Please keep us updated on how well the case holds up over time.
Boom. Featured. Nice. <wild applause>
If I included things like my headphone amp, as you have, I'd surely push the same sort of figures. Thanks for the tips about audio. My younger brother has dabbled a bit with Reaper and it'd certainly take some faith to jump up to the level you're at (I've heard of Ableton before). I have a basic Behringer audio interface at the moment which is fine for me for now.
Is your "ultimate build" an all-out ATX system or do you have another ITX system in mind?
You, my friend, have the S401 build to end all S401 builds. I've been tracking Salvo Studios for a while now but this... this is on another level. You inspire to go to another level. The only thing holding me back is the part where you very carefully went line-by-line through your expenses. If I did that now, well, I'm afraid of what I would find out about myself. You have so much going on here that I resonate with. What was your missionary work with? What's your music workflow? It's not something I do but it's something that I want to at least start dabbling in.
Small PC in the big leagues. Incredible accomplishment.
Hey, sorry about the delay guisess: haven't checked PCPP in a while. Mainly, it boils down to 1) aesthetics and 2) cooling (discussion below).
The best point in favor, in my eyes, is aesthetics. I like looking at my components and the S401's incredible openness makes for a killer show.
I also believe that thermals are an improvement overall, though this is situational and debatable. For one, the S401's venting is extremely open which makes for improved ventilation over the ML08/RVZ02. The 60mm fans I have over the CPU cooler are an improvement as well but that's only related to the "same-side" characteristic in a derivative sort of way. The fact I have a blower cooler on my video card means that exhausted hot air doesn't get recycled towards the CPU cooler but even if I did have one, I'm not sure what the impact would be. One might expect an ever-so-slight increase in CPU temps. However, the orientation of the CPU cooler fins and openness of the chassis makes me doubt that hot air from the video card would be recycled into the CPU.
The above cooling talking points apply only to the vertical orientation. Given a horizontal orientation, the benefits become much more pronounced. Now, you won't have to choose between giving good air clearance to either your CPU or GPU - you can have both. Traditionally, for a home theater PC in a media center shelf lying horizontally, you would need something to elevate the computer off the bottom shelf to give the bottom component some air. With a single direction for fans, both sides get maximum airflow (just watch the dust).
I don't think I'll get a chance to test since I don't have any plans to upgrade the video card for a long while but if you swing over to SFF Forum, someone there may have some data.
I'm here to comment because this may be the first Streacom DA2 build I've seen here. Looks pretty packed! I do like that extra fan over the stock cooler. It shows you're making the most out of this case while you wait for final upgrades. What's your CPU cooling plan once you upgrade? Also, how'd you find the overall build in that chassis?
I'm also waiting to see what Ryzen 2 might bring to the table. I'm also waiting to see what the new chipsets might have in store before deciding if I try to recycle an older motherboard or go with a newer one.
Huh, interesting x2. I'll take both those points into consideration. I, too, am closely watching the Ryzen 3000 series news. For MH, I think I'll wait and see if Anthem is any good. I know Bioware and EA have taken a lot of hits lately but... I can never forget the studio that brought me the joys of KOTOR and Mass Effect so I'm willing to at least consider this project that they're so excited about.
Ah, very nice. I'm in much the same boat as you: I have an ever so slightly OC'd i5-7600K paired with a GTX 1080 which, I think, is probably closing in on bottlenecking in certain games (but probably not at 1440P... that much at least). I'm also keeping my eye open for possible future CPU upgrades since, for us, it'll also likely require a total platform refresh as well to make it worth our whiles.
That said... Monster Hunter: World, huh? I've been eyeing it. Should I take the plunge? It'd be my first time with a MH game.
Ah, thanks. I've been making it my mission since building my first rig to find cool ITX builds to admire.
Re: Geforce logo, I could have sworn that someone found that the LEDs were actually RGB but they disconnected it... or maybe it was another card... Regardless, the stock coolers are incredibly clean looking. While I'm not wishing for my 1080 to die... It'd give me a good opportunity to try a new look, that's for sure.
Ha, that's great! I have some extra storage in my build from an old laptop (incidentally, the one that died to initially prompt me to build a computer in the first place).
Well, that there is an RX580 that can fit in the S4 is news to me. I hang out around SFFF quite a bit myself. Do you have a link to a build thread over there?
I'm also debating 16GB vs 32GB of RAM. I have few dozen Chrome tabs up while trying to edit something in Davinci Resolve and I seem to do okay. Still, it'll probably be a good time to upgrade RAM when I perhaps decide to upgrade proc and mobo.
Finding well photographed, well-explained SFF builds here is like finding a little gem. Very glad to have run into your build here.
I think you did fine for a first build. I think you did okay on the video card purchase as well - I bought a 1060 3GB for just slightly over that juuust before the crazy GPU inflation bubble so, to me, a 970 for that much doesn't seem like such a bad deal. As others have said, whenever you feel a need to upgrade, there are numerous points in your build which are easy swaps and you'll be off to the races. Well done and welcome to the club!
Oh cool, a Night Jar! I haven't seen one of those here yet. I also don't see much of the Dark Rock top down coolers. For small ITX cases, it doesn't fit whereas larger cases generally have room for something else.
Can I ask about your work? What kind of music are you working on? What programs do you use to process and how did that affect your hardware needs? My situation is that I'm part of a church that wants to improve the audio quality of our recorded music before it goes up online. So, we've been experimenting with capturing audio and, really, I have no experience with this sort of thing. I'd like to chat with someone with more experience if I can.
I think that this may be the first time that I've seen the Chromax covers in the wild and, boy, do they ever add that dash of class to this build. It's too bad that the Geforce RTX logo can't change color... But I definitely have to concur, this seems Cyberpunk ready. (Or were you talking about yourself?) Great job!
Neat-o, that box is right at home down there! I dream of a build like this someday... next gen APU... small keyboard... portable monitor... someday. If you do ever update, please let us know here!
If I had more reason to scrape together a used build, I would. Seems like good fun for the hobby! Would you consider upgrading your OS to a small SSD? The astonishing improvement to boot up times is quite helpful and SSDs don't go for much these days.
Well-reasoned, thoughtful build. I get a kick out of hearing how people use their computers for things other than gaming. May I ask how you are planning on making use of the tensor cores? Is it that certain programs interact with that part of the video card driver to process things?
Rats, now I see the error of my ways in not calling my sister's SG13 build "Sugoi." GG, GG... It's definitely about as clean as any reasonable human being could expect in this case with a 700W ATX PSU. I'm impressed at your transplant abilities as well! You must be a terrible person to play Operation against...
Hey, great build! You made a lot of bold choices for your first build and that's entirely commendable. My only complaint is that I can't imagine sharing my pride and joy with a girlfriend <cue laugh track, followed by quiet sobbing> On your PSU choice, if you wanted to know for sure if you made a good decision, you could compare your power draw with the efficiency curves associated with your PSU. If you have a power meter, you can monitor the power draw at idle and with various loads. Take those figures and compare it to your PSU's efficiency curve (manufacturer should have it). They generally have "sweet spots" where they operate at maximum efficiency. My guess would be that either PSU would have been fine.
To your questions, I concur with most of the responses so far. For Q1: If you start digging into your motherboard UEFI, you'll probably see that C-states are enabled. This allows the CPU to adjust its clocks with load. It's an efficiency thing. At the same time, you'll also want to get familiar with the various voltage controls at your disposal if/when OC'ing. You may want to swing in there to, at least, enable your RAM XMP profile to get it running at rated speeds. Q2: I use HWinfo but from what I know of Cams, it's totally fine. Q3: The major ones you'll want to check now and then is your motherboard and graphics card. Nvidia has the somewhat polarizing Geforce Experience program that can alert you to updates. Manual is fine too; just swing over to the MSI and Nvidia websites every quarter or so to find out if there's something you need. If you hear about a security thing, you may want to jump on that. Once you're up and running, it really won't be that big of a deal. No need to update your UEFI every time (especially since some are harder to update and easier to mess up than others). Do back up your files prior to updating any of that just in case.
Q4 is an interesting one. An earlier commenter mentioned a review with possible issues. Before RMA'ing, I have to ask: Are we talking about the 1080P monitor or the 1440P gaming one? Also, have you confirmed if GSync is working? It'll have to be plugged into the DisplayPort, not HDMI, output of the card and then manually enabled in Nvidia control panel settings. The recommendation I go with on my S2417DG is enable GSync and VSync in Nvidia control panel and then disable VSync in each application i.e. let the Nvidia control panel do it all. Supposedly, VSync in-game can mess with the GSync trying to control things. You may want to consult a guide for optimizing Nvidia settings. If, as the other commenter says, it's a manufacturing flaw, then by all means, get that exchanged.
I am tripping out at all of these Louqe builds with Titans in them. Is it some kind of requirement or are they giving away Titans with a purchase of a case?
In seriousness, I like what you've done with your airflow. I'm curious as to what the impact on temps would be if you removed the bottom fans. I wonder if blower cards benefit from airflow in that direction (bottom to top with respect to the blower fan). I'm sure the Kraken benefits a lot from it though.
Please document your custom cable build and swap process! I would love to see more internal pictures of this fine build. Also, hi Thor! <virtual belly rub>
Thanks! You can probably see where I'm at with some of the things we talked about over on your Louqe build. My Evo (which I bought, unfortunately, during the SSD inflation period) is the one I've been moving videos to for scratch work. Not sure if I'm doing this right exactly. Also, as you can see, my PSU is far from the noisiest thing in my build so I probably won't bother with the kind of fan mod you embarked on. Thanks for stopping by!
You've quite an impressive build, sir! I enjoyed your mods. They all serve excellent usability purposes. It's too bad the PSU controller didn't recognize the Noctua. I can appreciate your storage setup with multiple SSDs. I've just started dabbling with playing with my drone video snapshots and having it stored on an SSD while I scrub through it in Davinci Resolve is incredibly helpful. Like you, I'm also trying to chase maximum SFF cooling and what you were able to do with the Noctua cooler is impressive. I'm also jealous of your PSlate cables. Someday, I'll care enough to foot the cash for such a venture.
This gives new meaning to the phrase "guitar case." Can it play Free Bird and Crysis at the same time?
On a technical level, I'm curious about your airflow. I see you have a fan there but is there was some kind of passive vent anywhere else for continuity of air flow? Also, how do you run your I/O cables including your video cables?
This is amazing. I am amazed. This needs to be featured. Soon.
Ooh, you're trying to sell it and it's not going? That's too bad. It's great already just from your airflow mods. Well, best of luck! Hopefully someone will come along that appreciates it in its fullest extent. This would be a perfect Shadow of Mordor/Shadow of War PC.
Ooh, you've got one of the new Platinum Corsair SFX supplies! How do you find it? I have the Gold version and don't think I'll get any real benefit from changing up but I'm curious all the same. Also, please update us if the RAM situation gets resolved. I'm considering a jump to next-gen Ryzen and need to investigate if my 2x16 2666MHz kit of Crucial RAM will work well enough to get the job done.
Your airflow mods are brilliant and the way you reclaimed the space freed up by the mini 1060 with the Eye is excellent. I usually frown on mini-ITX builds that don't make good use of the space available to them, but there is no way I can be mad about this.
Would you consider a companion build at any time, say a Tree of Gondor-themed one?
!!!! I had no idea a custom loop was possible in the Lian-Li case. A custom loop build with a handle. Incredible.
How do you like the 1080 Ti blower? I have a 1080 blower card that can get on my nerves at times but generally can do what I want it to do @ 1440P. There are games where I could see a 1080Ti being preferred, just perhaps not from a noise and temperature standpoint. I definitely know what you mean about the money slowly (and quickly) slipping away...
Ahh, got it, thanks! (Lack of) Exhaust airflow is one of the weaknesses of this case, so I think you've found a great, functional work around.
Thanks for the reply/tips. The VLP RAM I've seen runs quite expensive, so I'd have to be committed to something like the Black Ridge (or exactly the Black Ridge) before making that plunge. Please post updated temp data when you get it in! I'm watching the CPU market to see what's going on but I never really think about the T-chips from Intel. May be worth a look. Most of the headphones/earphones I have and use now originated from Massdrop but the 4XX is not a model I've yet plunged into. Listening to K7XX right now.
With the CPU market in flux, I'm having a whirlwind of a time trying to track what's coming out and all that. I can give you a buzz when it comes time for me to upgrade if you're interested.
Neat build but I'm a little concerned about the extreme underclocking measures you've resorted to to keep temps down. I run a 7600K and 1080 blower and don't have the same experience with temps, even though our parts should be thermally similar.
If you'd be open to a bit of an expensive "hail Mary" pass, you could look into another case. The Salvo Studios S401 that I use has the components facing the same way, which, I'd imagine, would be beneficial for a horizontal computer. It's more open thermally and smaller, with the tradeoff there being that the Accelero won't fit.
Really cool build! Few questions, if I may: How is the 8700T and Black Ridge combo working out for you? I heard there was a recall on them for a manufacturing defect. Where did you get your VLP RAM from? Finally, as a bonus, are those HIFiMan headphones I see?
<slow clap for full-size ATX PSU> Cable management was weird enough with an SFX PSU. I truly applaud your tenacity. Those are some neat mods you did with the front screen and exhaust fan. How did you run the fan cable? How did you mount it? If it's fairly straightforward, I may revist my sister's PC with with a fan header in tow.
Touche, good sir/ma'am. I would like to, one day, build a loop of my own. It'd probably be an ATX system of some sort when I need absolute power or crazy I/O that only comes from PCIe slots. That, or a super portable tiny PC. Opposite ends of the spectrum, but those are my potential goals for the future.
<reads that this is a "very simple build with just the basics">
<spit-takes at Titan Xp>
<snickers at Jayz Ghost build video playing in the background>
If I'm not mistaken, isn't it true that you're only able to fit the bottom fan on the L12 in the Ghost? That could explain your reported warm CPU temps, though the number you posted isn't that bad IMO. (Of course, Cinebench isn't the toastiest test out there by any means.) I'm not convinced there's any hope for a quieter Titan Xp (still haven't quite gotten over that part yet). My blower-reference 1080 has problems keeping things cool and quiet, so I would imagine the Titan Xp would be even more of a heat hog. For a blower card, I'm not sure if the extra fans would help that much! I remember seeing Optimum Tech's video about the NCase M1 and how those fans helped a blower 1070. However, those fans point straight into the intake of the blower while in the Ghost, it would blow at the bottom/top of the card. I've seen some data suggesting that fans with airflow in that direction with respect to card orientation doesn't help much. That was in a case that only supports 60mm fans, though (Salvo Studios S401 console-style case). 120mm or larger fans with their much increased airflow may be the ticket to success.
I don't normally go for things that make already biggish mini-ITX systems even bigger but this is an awesome exception to that rule.
You're in the same position I found myself in a year ago. My sister wanted a new laptop, I convinced her to go mITX desktop. I actually settled on a lot of the same design choices you did: Ryzen 3 CPU (R3 1200 for me at the time), 1x8GB stick of RAM (upgrade possibilities?), small SSD paired with HDD, low end 1080P GPU. I went with the 1060 3GB since I found a good deal on one and I knew she liked a little extra graphical horsepower. But you've got a great price/performance, cool, and power efficient build on your hands. Great stuff!
This is some kind of savage Chaotic Neutral build, you beautiful barbarian. Boutique case + beautiful custom watercooling loop + external rad + digital temp gauge for a 7700K and 1060 6GB. ATX case with an ITX mainboard. Impeccably clean and minimalist front panel and Fatal1ty I/O shield, MSI GPU connector plate, and an incredible bulging radiator - it's like the mullet of computing. Live long and prosper, you mad genius.
Great pictures of the build process. You also did as good a job on the cable management as I think is possible in that case with that PSU. That Gigabyte 1080 is absolutely perfect in this case. Also, very solid aesthetic choices. I hope it does last you five or more years!
Great build and really excellent photos. I'm especially fond of your NH-L9 mod with the Wraith fan. You took on a great project for your first build. Please update when you've got your updated video card and cables!
I'll admit to having a mildly overclocked 7600K on an original C7 (with some small case fans) so I'm kind of pushing my luck with my temps and whatnot. I am curious about how the 7600T performs, perhaps compared to something like the i5-7500. Time to pt on my research hat...
Awesome, I hope you can post updated pictures of the process and final product! I've been happily running on a 1440P//144Hz display as well. With the settings I run in certain games, my blower-cooler 1080 won't always break 100 or 120 fps without making a loud fuss about it but it's fine. To me, even with the introduction of 4K/144Hz panels, I still feel 1440P will be sweet spot for a while.
I'm fine, thanks. I didn't know what was possible with this card. I think I'll be satisfied with my current setup until something truly forces my hand (rather than an ill-advised side-grade). I hope they don't abandon these mini cards in future generations; lots of builds like yours rely on them.
All good points. Every time I go scouring on ebay, my hand hovers over the "Place Bid" button but I always hold back. This is true of numerous Gigabyte 1080 Mini cards. I dont needone and it's hardly an upgrade over my blower 1080... but I could fit other things in my case...
Anyway, it occurred to me to ask if you've considered flashing the BIOS on your Aorus box card to the retail version, since, like you mentioned, the retail version has a silent mode. I don't even know how to do such a thing, only that I've heard of people doing so.
I'm more like 2 1/2 SFF builds... one was a transfer/partial upgrades. I didn't realize that VR was that resource intensive. To clarify, I figured it was GPU-intensive but wasn't sure what else.
Mainly, I'm trying to see if there's any justifiable reason to upgrade to 32GB of RAM. I've got a 16 GB 2x8 2666MHz kit. I can run my games with an obscene number of Chrome tabs open in the background and not break 10GB. But, like reason #3, I'm not close to perfection but maybe I'm still in the "perfectly adequate" zone.