Your build is truly amazing! The design both inside and out is incredible, and I'm honored that you like mine as well! I'll need to PM you about using Raspberry Pi's in the future - the remote start + led system in your build is super unique and interesting.
You're right, we are the same age or very similar - turned 16 a couple months ago.
Hey! I just measured the distance from the edge of my motherboard to the center of the cpu both in terms of the height and width of the board. I then did a center rectangle from the point where the two lines (horizontal and vertical) intersected, which is also the center of the CPU!
Thank you so much! I wish you luck with your project, and can wait to see it!
Did you change the LLC levels in the BIOS? These automatically raise your voltage level to sustain higher stable overclocks, so even if you set voltage at 1.28v, the LLC level will offset whatever it is to a higher voltage. Have you tried introducing HWinfo/HWmonitor to see what voltage it displays?
I don't know if this is true, but maybe one of the programs is displaying the voltage that is being applied to the cpu without taking into account the LLC?
The 470+4560 combo is quite good. Hardware Unboxed has a video containing benchmarks of this exact combo! Apart from Rise of the Tomb Raider and GTA V (still over 60 FPS), the 4560 really does well.
The 480 could provide a little bit of a performance bump up, but at the prices that 470's are going for, it's a real no-brainer. Something of interest is that in total, the 1060 6GB was only very slightly faster than the 470 with the 4560, while the gap increased a little as you moved up to the 6700k, which would make me inclined to believe that the RX 470-480 is really the sweet spot for the 4560 before bottlenecks start to occur (case in point, the 1080 was only 2 FPS faster averaged out than the 1060, which in turn was only 3 FPS faster on average than the 470. Since this is averaged, it's not representative of a per game basis and irons out the outliers, but you still get the general idea).
Since it sounds like you already have an X99 motherboard, you may just want to stay on the platform, as like you said, you'd have to buy a new motherboard if you went for either a 7700k or a 1800x.
Have you overclocked your 5820k?
It sounds like you're just playing MMO's, which aren't the most resource intensive on your CPU. Have you tried using an overlay program like MSI Afterburner that shows your CPU usage while playing games? That way you'll easily be able to see if you are bottlenecked (if it is constantly running at 100%, but I doubt it.)
What GPU do you have?
In all, the 5820k is still very respectable, especially once you overclock it, and the $400-500+ you'd spend on a new CPU would be much better used on other more meaningful upgrades; for example, you could buy an SSD if you don't have one already, or just save your money! 1800x would be a poor choice for you, its gaming performance is optimally going to be around Broadwell-E, and it just isn't there yet. If you went with that, it would quite a wasteful investment.
What a nice build! Nice clean photos that show the case, impeccable cable management, and a simple yet beautiful side panel mod! It's builds like this that I look towards for inspiration.
Your video is also great!
Your build looks fine man, no need to worry, the components look balanced, and if it works for you then it's totally cool.
As for your PSU, just make sure to plug the 24 Pin ATX connector as well as the CPU connector (4 Pin) into your motherboard. The 24 Pin ATX connector provides power for the motherboard, which in turn powers the fans - if they are plugged into the motherboard you don't have to do anything else. As for the GPU, it doesn't look like your 1050Ti has a PCIe connector, so you should be fine not using it. PCIe connectors are usually used for higher wattage GPUs that can't get enough power from the PCIe slot on your motherboard. However, in this case the PCIe slot on your motherboard will provide all the power to the GPU, without any supplemental from the PCIe connector.
I would just try tying the extra cables together and either hiding them behind the motherboard tray, or in the bottom of your case (maybe inside the front HDD rack so it is covered.)
Thanks for the suggestion man! How is it in your experience? Do you use the analytics, and if so, how useful are they. Also - for inventory management/order fulfillment, is it pretty intuitive?
What's the benefit of Shipstation over Shopify? I see it does cost extra. Does the inbaked Shopify shipment API not work well enough? Also - does Shipstation give bigger discounts than the ones that Shopify provides through their own shipping fulfillment channel?
Lastly - for paypal, do you prefer the inbuilt shopify payments powered by stripe, or the standalone express checkout? If you do use shopify payments (seems like the standard one to use), do you have the money deposited straight into your bank account?
Thanks man, don't mean to ask too many questions, but just want to know a little more.
Thanks! The website is definitely going to expand in the future, I'm leaning towards an e-commerce setup right now.
Thanks man! I think I'll have to go with another website hoster, it seems Wix just isn't optimized for what I want to do.
Yeah - it's a big problem with Wix, really makes me want to transition to something else. Thanks for the feedback!
My thoughts exactly! Couldn't believe it either
Good stuff, I'll give it a read later! Shame that they went up in price at least in the US, great alternatives to the RMx and G2 series. In Europe, I've heard that they are very cost competitive and a great purchase.
Unfortunately, since the G3 is a thing, it doesn't make sense to buy a Whisper M for now (in the US.)
In my opinion - at least in the US, I wouldn't buy either for obvious reasons, given that the refreshed CXM series exists...
I understand that is a completely different story in Europe, and if the Purepower was considerably cheaper than the Corsair Vengance PSUs or the Whisper M, than I think it would be an acceptable choice.
Both seem to have decent platforms, I don't know nearly enough to be able to tell you if why/if the Pure Power's ACRF topolgy is better than the BQ's double forward design. However, I do appreciate both of these PSU's generate their minor rails via DC-DC converters. This means that the 5v rail isn't directly tied into the 12v loop, which can be very bad in cross-load situations, where the 12v current is very high, and the 5v is very low (common for us as pc gamers.)
Honestly, I don't really care about efficiency - I mean obviously it is a factor that requires consideration - but the actual power quality is more important to me. Both these PSU's honestly have pretty crappy voltage regulation, especially compared to the Vengance/CXM series (ripple is fine though.) I'm not a fan of the poor OPP implementation on both PSU's, but then again, since many other sites don't test this, I don't know if this is an issue with these specific PSU's, or just PSU's in general.
In regards to the OTP protection, this one I can't forgive EVGA, it's a problem. I don't actually know what the temperature is when components inside will become permanently damaged, but it's an easy enough thing to implement and shouldn't be skimped on. IMO, the two units are so similar in performance that buying the BQ doesn't make sense just based on the fan it uses - it seems like they may have gotten an off-balanced fan, but in any case, the Pure Power is extremely quiet.
I also remember reading over on JonnyGuru that EVGA went with Seasonic for the GS, because Superflower couldn't keep up with demand, so they added a new SKU. Thanks for posting the link, never knew Computerbase did PSU reviews, love the way they format charts, and good on them for testing protections.
However, I worry that many single rail PSU's will share the same OPP protection issues, which is kind of bad considering how many PSU makers purposely market single 12v rails for the NA market (ex. look at the Vengance which is the same platform as the CXM except without the rails shorted under one protections IC, and better capacitors.)
Yep, you're totally right. 600W and 500W are Andyson. However, the 850w and 650w (what OP had) should have the same HEC platform.
Hey man, just a question - why don't you just leave out one of the 140mm LED fans for now, and use that extra $17 to buy a MSI Gaming X 1070?
If you don't want to do that, the G1 gaming is quite good. You can look at this video for more info - it's a little old, but still is quite useful if you just want a quick cut and dry answer.
Also, if you haven't bought the BQ yet, I'd recommend looking at the CXM 550w. It consistently outperforms the BQ in almost every single test conducted by Tom's Hardware. Although it may seem a little weird to compare a 850w to a 650w, to my knowledge the lower wattage models share the same exact platform, and will reflect the performance.
Lastly, just a little food for thought, you could also leave an LED fan out, and upgrade to the tempered glass S340 Elite instead.
When you are talking about eSATA connectors on your PSU, do they look like this or this? If so, these are just stock SATA power connectors.
However, to answer this question, we need a little more info.
One - can you give us your exact PSU model?
Two - What devices will you be powering? (ex. 1 NZXT HUE+, 1 WD Blue 1TB, etc.)
If I know this, I can help you out!
They need to make an unobtainium rating.
Holy those two HOF cards are absolutely stunning! Going to be hard to see those go, but that custom loop is going to look too coooool. :)
I think it's definitely true that the G3 has different platforms throughout the model line, if it is like the G2 series, then you'll have the Leadex Gold platform for 850w and lower (I guess Leadex II now), and then the updated GT and GTX lineups for the higher wattage models.
Data pulled from Orion's excellent database
The G3 and G2 share the same platform from Superflower. In fact, most of the components from the two PSU's are the same as well, the only thing that I'm aware is different so far is a beefier line filtering stage on the G3, which should provide better protection, and cleaner power. Quick note - one other thing is the EVGA G3 has a much smaller bulk capacitor, which could diminish hold up times, leading to premature shutdown in the case of a brownout/power sag, compared to the G2.
I'm sure there are more specific component changes under the hood, I just have yet to find them.
However, the fan has also changed on the G3, forgoing the older ball bearing design of the G2 and adopting a new HDB design, which should result in lower noise levels (if at the expense of lifetime will remain to be seen, but EVGA still is sticking with a 10 year warranty.)
However, whatever mad magic sauce Superflower cooked up must be doing it's job well, because the G3 absolutely destroys in terms of performance, with some of the best voltage regulation and ripple suppression johnnyguru has tested. Hell, this might be the best consumer gold rated PSU he has tested, this thing was at some points outperforming the Prime Titanium (in terms of power quality), Seasonic's HALO PSU. While some of the G2 models struggled to pass Gold efficiency, the G3 nearly got to Platinum on the cold tests.
For the prices the G3's are at, you can't really do better. IMO, these are THE PSU to buy for most enthusiasts.
Hey man, your PSU is a solid choice, and won't give you any problems. However, if you can squeeze $10 more in, you can get the G3. Overkill? Yes. But, you get one of the most modern and highest performing PSU platforms on the market, and an a great 10 year warranty. This also comes with a very quiet fan, so you don't have to worry about some of the sound quirks that ball bearing fans can entail.
Yes, that's right. Aris explains this quite well in his PSU article. FDB and HDB are both designs that are derived from sleeve bearing fans, with better seals to prevent the lubricant from evaporating, and also a little lubricant reservoir/channel that allows lubricant to cover the full shaft (so it isn't affected by gravity.)
I'm sure there are more things than that, I'm just unaware of them.
Ah ok, thank you so much for the very involved and in-depth explanation. I never thought about the role the memory controller played, and how the overall latency could be affected by higher frequencies. Awesome stuff man!
Just a quick question - would the 3466 RAM actually be faster in real world scenarios? I know it isn't rated as fast, but when you calculate the actual clock cycle length (3466 is 0.58ns, 4000 is .5ns), and then consider the CAS latency (14 cycles for 3466, and 18 for 4000), the 3466 takes 8ns to deliver data, while the 4000 takes around 9ns.
So even though the 4000 has a higher clock rate, wouldn't you still get more data throughput via the 3466 with a more streamlined and efficient pipeline (almost certainly the wrong terminology, forgive my ignorance, lol.) Maybe I'm way off here, just don't know.
Both the RM550x and G2 are great PSU's. Depending on where you are, you might also be able to get the G3, the updated model of the G2, for a few % more, or the same (the 550w G2 and G3 cost the same here) - which share the same platform and much of the same components, but the G3 has a HDB fan (which I assume will be much quieter - though my G2 Ball Bearing fan is damn near silent) and slight tweaks to allow for more stable power output - essentially if they are the same price you're getting free performance gains.
Another one to keep in mind is the new Bitfenix Whisper M line of PSU's. It's right up there with the RMx and G2, and goes for great prices in some places in the EU.
I agree, the Fit is a great car, recently sat in one at an autoshow and it has great visibility (it suffers from small wheel syndrome though, that's my main gripe with a lot of small hatches.)
I'd encourage you to get something reasonably small, well-priced, and safe. I don't know what auto-insurance is like in the UK, but in California insurance for a sports car is totally ridiculous. I just started driving and I really appreciate the good visibility and how narrow my Mom's Mazda 5 is (my dad has a 2012ish Outback, which is quite hard to drive down narrow streets, and has large rear pillars, so it is hard to check your blindspots there.)
I really want a Miata myself, but getting a boring and easy to drive car is the best choice IMO for your first car, that way you can learn to drive (hardest part for me is merging on the freeway and parallel parking) - most importantly you learn how to react to other drivers and predict when they're about to do something stupid. You can always just sell it and get a better car later.
Lol, they deserve it though.
Woah interesting, I was not aware of that. However, on my 750w I got only a single 4+4 connector on the end of both my CPU cables. Thanks for pointing that out!
You and Czex are both right. EVGA has never made a 8 - dual 8 Pin CPU cable, the higher wattage models come with two individual 8 (4+4) pin CPU cables (like my G2 750w), but not a single cable that ends in 2 8 Pins.
I've never even heard of a company branching the cpu cable like that on consumer desktop PSU's, just doesn't make sense... The spec allows for it I guess, but I'm guessing it is much more practical to split it into two or more individual CPU cables.
You could do it, wood isn't conductive. I might put some rubber washers on to air on the safe side.
I totally feel your disappointment on Z270. I'm excited that we get to see new motherboards that have been designed to coincide with new market trends (RGB everything lol, but more importantly, add newer audio chips, better aesthetics, newer software, etc.)
As far as your question about the extra 4 PCIe lanes, Z270 has 24 PCIe lanes that come from the Z270 chipset to connect various things, like M.2, SATA Express, (the chipset PCIe lanes also connect to the x1, and usually the x4 slots on a motherboard.) That might sound cool, as Z270 has 4 more PCIe lanes than Z170 for components (another NVMe M.2 SSD, right?) Unfortunately, Z270 didn't actually upgrade the DMI interface, which is what all of the data from the Z270 chipset runs through to get to the CPU. That is still running at the equivalent to x4 PCIe 3.0 lanes.
That means running 2+ NVMe drives in Raid 0 is going to create instances of serious bottlenecking, as the data from the NVMe drives has to compete with WiFi, SATA, etc. on the DMI Bus (remember, only x4 3.0 speed.)
I would have been more impressed if Intel added more CPU PCIe lanes (still 16 with Kaby Lake), which are used to directly connect to your GPU(s), bumping it up to 24 would allow for x16/x8, or x8/x8/x8 (SLI doesn't work if the GPU is given less than 8 PCIe lanes electrically) - the more PCIe lanes the better. AMD is looking real good here, they have more PCIe lanes with Ryzen, and native USB 3.1 Gen 2 support, which means a lot more motherboards will offer USB 3.1 Gen 2 out of the box, not to mention Ryzen (CPU) integrates a lot of other features Intel still relegates to the motherboard, so Ryzen motherboards are going to be a lot cheaper.
Are you looking at the one on the bottom left?
Yeah, I know you know that, as does Christian and Pegotico. However, if someone who doesn't know this is glancing through the thread, they may see that and misinterpret it. Then they could post the same thing, and it could end up perpetuating negative stereotypes/prejudices against some OEMs, while in reality, all OEMs should be given the same chance, and their individual platforms should be judged on their own - OEMs with terrible track records can make good platforms, and vice versa.
I'd say the OEM platform and component choices are not up to the same standard as the G2.
Seasonic is one of the best choices for an OEM for a PSU, and they have a good track record. This one might be a dud compared to the G2 and G3, but doesn't mean Seasonic is a bad company at all.
EVGA just didn't make a great decision in choosing the right platform from Seasonic, and suffered from it. IIRC I think I read on JonnyGuru that EVGA went to Seasonic and FSP for OEM platforms after Superflower couldn't keep up with demand for producing their G2/P2/T2.
Another that might be interesting is differentiating between in-line SATA connectors, and daisy chained SATA connectors. What makes it hard to do this is that the # could change even between wattages in a PSU family, a lot of work for a feature that is pretty niche IMO.
Wow ok, that totally slid by me.
True. I haven't been around for awhile, when did the G2 come down to $80? Was it around when the G3 launched?
Aha, oops. Teaches me to post without thinking, eh? Great PSU though, the biggest problem Bitfenix is going to face is building the same brand recognition that EVGA and Corsair have for their PSUs.
Wow, what a dream build man, just looks amazing.
Hey man, Pegotico already listed some really good sleevers, Mbsleeving, and beyondcustoms are also good.
Something to keep in mind is that any small sleever you go to will generally be more expensive, Joe at Sanctum uses Mainframe as his primary supplier, so you naturally are going to have a little markup.
I'm not trying to shill out or anything, but I've been sleeving as a hobby for a bit, and am in the process right now of building up an inventory to do orders on a larger scale, I'm trying to fill the gap in between going full custom (length and color), and the cheap sets you find on Amazon. You'll be able to choose from 11 colors at the start, in any pattern you want (interestingly enough, I'm using the same supplier as Mainframe Customs, so the colors are going to be very similar). For a 24 Pin, 8 Pin CPU, 8 Pin PCIe, and 6 Pin PCIe, the pricing would equate to around $36.50 shipped (they are all arced of course, and come with free cable combs.)
As for your question about Cablemod vs Mainframe, it depends on what you go for. Quality-wise, Cablemod's Modflex is pretty crappy, they use really thin sleeve to make manufacturing easier (they crimp the sleeve to the wire), while their Modmesh is more inline with Mainframe's Teleois, as it is either a 3mm or 4mm sleeve instead of a 2mm sleeve (Teleois is also 4mm.) Another thing is that Mainframe uses shorter wires on the bottom of their extensions, to create a nice arc, Cablemods does not, and you are going to get bunching, as when the cables go around the motherboard tray, the top cables have to travel a little bit farther than the bottoms, and they splay out.
Gotta love those CTR reservoirs, great build man, I'm a huge fan of the 180 degree bends you did between the GPU's, wayy cooler looking than the standard EK terminal bridges.
Let's be real here, the dog is the real centerpiece of the build :). Aha in all seriousness, great job man, there are some unique aspects in here that I'm a fan of.
My friend got these, pretty cheap, and decent for what you get. A lot of LED strips have a really big, bulky receiver/controller boxes, and this has one that is really low profile, and works well inside a case without taking up too much space. One thing to consider is most LED strips aren't good at diffusing light, a lot of the time you'll be able to see each individual LED that is lighting up the case, as the light is brightest where each LED is, and is a little dimmer in the gaps between LED's.
I've seen some of the bigger PC building companies use light diffusion gel/film to make the light more even, you might want to consider something like this as well. I haven't tried this film specifically, so I can't personally vouch if it is the best option - just one that I think will work.
Hey Ravenwolf, great to see you around with another build, I found nevermore on Overclock.net awhile ago, and was a huge fan of it. I'm a fan of the clean aesthetic inside, I think I spy a custom made HDD/ODD cover in the front, and a nice large PSU shroud. Well deserved feature - this build's aesthetics easily throw punches with rigs 4x the price.
Same thing happened to me all of the time on Windows 10 w/ a Samsung 850 EVO as a main drive - it's not the PSU either, it's just probably some obscure setting somewhere in the OS. Especially with an SSD, I booted up so fast, I never had the need to try to figure out the problem. I finally got it to work by updating my Intel Management Engine in Device manager to the newest version.
However, I'd recommend just trying to boot from sleep, especially if you are running a clean install on your MX300. For me, booting from sleep and booting from shutdown take around the same time.
I'll add some more RAM probably in a year after my wallet has recovered, lol
I'll add some more RAM probably in a year after my wallet has recovered, lol
Lol that's the worst enemy of any PC enthusiast. Great description, clean, concise, and interesting. As for the build itself, looks freaking amazing. The way that the rear ML140 on your Radiator lights up the I/O shield and heatsinks of your motherboard looks freaking godlike. I'd love to see how this build compares in terms of aesthetics and performance to your last one in 2000. Cheers man, and congrats on the feature!
Hello, I don't mean to self-advertise, but I feel like seeing it in a video might be easier than trying to describe it - I made a review a while ago that covered it. I unfortunately didn't leave in footage of me screwing it in from behind the motherboard tray, but it is pretty self-explanatory. Please let me know if you have any more questions!
Don't have much experience outside of HP laser jets. We have one in engineering class that prints A3 (CAD drawings), and my family owns a monochromatic laserjet at home as well (but A4 size.) If you can get one for your budget, would strongly recommend.