Unfortunately, it only comes with one fan in the rear exhaust position. I purchased two cheap blue fans off Amazon for the front intake and they worked great!
Performance felt the same because the thermal tolerances for SSD's are much higher than most users might assume, OP should be absolutely fine with the way that they have their configuration setup.
Holy moly yes!
I love the ZMT that you used, almost looks like hard line!
Absolutely! You might have to have the settings at High or Medium instead of Ultra but it performed very well in Fortnite! The quad core i5-2400 is a very competent CPU for gaming even in 2018 and the GTX 660 is great value for 1080p gaming!
I believe it was this one but there's plenty of options on eBay and Amazon for around $10 lol
Definitely, the cable management is one of the few downsides of this case lol
Oh absolutely, the PSU should do fine for the low power draw of a locked i5 and a GTX 660 but if he wants to upgrade GPU's or CPU's in the future I'll definitely recommend a PSU swap as well lol
Great write up, excellent pictures and pretty good part choices for the intended use case!
+1 from me brother, this build deserves more attention!
Thanks! And the front fans were a set of cheap blue LED fans from Kyerivs I'm pretty sure, these look about right https://www.amazon.com/Kyerivs-Performance-Computer-Bearing-Efficient/dp/B075GLB536/
Absolutely! It definitely fits, no idea why it's flagged as too big lol
Thanks a lot!
It's an average sized case but yeah, I'd say the airflow is actually very good! I'd recommend buying an extra case fan or two just to help it out lol
Really creative build! Love the cost saving measures!
I'm curious though, what exactly are you streaming in 1080p? Are you just decoding video (on Netflix, Hulu, Youtube etc) or are you talking about streaming via an application like Xsplit or OBS? Just interested in your use case lol
Thanks in advance and great job on the build!
I think a GTX 1080 paired with an R7-1700 is a pretty good match but I would recommend trying your R9 290 with the R7-1700 initially to see if that works well for you. The R9 290 is actually a really great card even in 2018 and I can almost guarantee that you'll see a pretty significant performance boost by upgrading from an FX chip.
If you decide that you still need more GPU power after upgrading your CPU then by all means snag a GTX 1080 but it might be worth holding off just to see how well the R9 290 performs with a more adequate CPU in the meantime lol
I had both RAM slots occupied before powering on the PC, it is a mini-ITX motherboard so it only has 2 RAM slots.
You seem to have misunderstood my reply so let me simplify it a bit; you're definitely going to need a stronger CPU if you want to eventually stream 720p at 60fps (which is what you said you wanted to do in your previous comment). The older FX series chips (especially a 4 core with no extra threads) are going to be crippled while encoding video at the bitrates that are required for 720p 60fps encoding.
I'm not going to lie to you, that's going to be difficult to do without significant frame drops on the viewers end with an FX series chip. As much as I like the older AMD FX CPU's, they just don't have the prowess to do heavily threaded tasks like gaming/streaming at the same time, especially in the case of the quad core 4XXX variants. Have you considered upgrading your CPU to maybe an FX-8350? They sell for pretty cheap these days but I'm not sure if even that would be enough to leverage the kind of workload that gaming while streaming at 60fps would deliver.
I would say that if you're looking at building a streaming PC that you should be more concerned about your choice of CPU not GPU. Streaming applications usually encode using the CPU and by nature when you're multitasking (running OBS, Discord, multiple Web Browser windows/tabs, etc.) it's important to have a strong CPU that has a sufficient amount of cores/threads.
I've experienced issues on CPUs with 4 cores or less when trying to run games and stream while running multiple applications; I'd recommend at least a CPU with 6 cores and preferably 12 threads. Something like a Ryzen 5 1600/2600 would be a great choice for a price/performance streaming/gaming rig.
As far as the GPU goes, it really depends on what games you want to be able to run, at what resolution, what framerate and what quality settings. If you're looking for a good budget GPU then something like a GTX 1050 or RX 560 would be good for 1080p gaming at medium-ish settings but if you're looking for more power then look up some more benchmarks online to find the sweet-spot for the performance you want.
Hope this helps and feel free to PM me if you have any more questions lol
Quite easily actually!
You'd be surprised at how well GPU's with older architecture and less VRAM still perform in games today. I recently built a PC for someone that had an older i7 and a GTX 770 (2GB model) and it handled gaming/streaming with no issues at all.
I'd advise you look at benchmarks and perhaps do some research into what computer hardware programs like Xsplit/OBS actually leverage when it comes to a real-time video encoding!
The case has only one 120mm fan included, it's a generic black fan but it gets the job done and I put it in the back as an exhaust. The other fans I installed in the front were 120mm blue LED fans and they work great, I think the front of the case supports 3 120mm fans if I remember correctly! The top of the case also has mounting options for 2 120mm fans, it's pretty great!
I would say adding two to the front and keeping the included fan as an exhaust is a pretty good configuration unless you need LOADS more airflow for whatever reason. I even overclocked the i7 and GTX 770 in this build and it works great!
Interesting build, might look even better with a waterblock on the GPU! +1 for originality though!
I'm curious, you said you've overclocked your 4690k but your motherboard is listed as an ASRock H97M, did you do BLK overclocking?
Yup, there is a cutout for one 5 inch device at the top front of the case but you can just fill it with a fan if you don't plan on using it!
I can definitely help you out man, it sounds like you might be a little bit confused about how compatibility between motherboards and CPU's works but we can work it out. I'll PM you and we can talk more!
YES! This is great!
I think that there are half-height R7 cards that would have worked with the OEM HP case but if it works then more power to you! +1 from me for sure lol
Absolutely! I see that you too have a blue build! =)
This is a really good build for budget 1080p gaming but it takes a little bit of bargain hunting to find the right deals. If you're patient and willing to wait for the right time to buy then you can save a lot of money buying used parts!
If you have any general questions about PC building or component selection feel free to let me know, I've been building PCs on this website for 4 years now and professionally for the Coast Guard for about 8 years lol
They're great cards! A GTX 770 is about the same performance but in most cases slightly better than a GTX 1050ti but for almost half the price. It's a great buy if you're looking to upgrade later when the GPU market stabilizes but it's up to you if you want to buy used for your first build!
I generally sell them (at cost, no upcharge) to friends or people in my area that are interested in getting into PC gaming on a budget.
So yes, I do sell them but I don't make any money off the builds because I'm a full time IT for the Coast Guard, there's no reason for me to profit off a hobby lol
Yeah, I'm a really big fan of combos like this lol Really, anything with a GTX 770 attached to it is going to perform well right now.
Thanks a bunch man! Means a lot coming from a veteran builder such as yourself, gotta love the budget systems!
The 2500k is a very competent CPU even in today's games, especially when overclocked! I had no issues running Fortnite at max settings in 1080p and PUBG ran excellent at medium settings in 1080p, the only thing holding the 2500k back is the GPU.
Oh, this is good lol
Do I know you personally or have you just seen my posts? But yeah, talk about sketchy stuff, that guy seemed so nice too! Just goes to show you that people can be jerks no matter what lol
I really have fun making these budget builds, I usually try to get the best bang/buck with regards to 1080p gaming and the older Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge CPUs paired with something like a GTX 680 or GTX 770 is really a great combination!
Thanks a bunch!
Yeah, I remember the days when a GTX 770 would go for about $70 but now people are lucky to get them for under $100, kinda crazy.
Sandy Bridge CPUs are a generation I've only recently discovered but MAN are they great value! An i7-2600K can usually be had for less than $100 and the i5-2500K for around $60 and they easily outperform their newer counterparts at that price-point, especially when overclocked.
Thanks for the comment!
It runs games like GTAV and DayZ (even though it's poorly optimized) really well, the GTX 770 is no slouch even in modern games lol Surprisingly enough, a GTX 1050ti would be about 10%-20% slower on average in gaming even though it has more VRAM. This is one of the reasons why it's good to look at older GPU's for budget builds because a brand new 1050ti in today's market will run you almost twice as much as a used GTX 770.
As far as the case itself is concerned, I'm not really sure if it would fit in a carry on, it's pretty big and I think you might have a hard time even fitting it in a suitcase to check into a flight. The only difference between this case and a normal mid-tower is about 2-3 inches of vertical height because mATX motherboards have less height than normal ATX motherboards.
Hope this helps!
I'm not sure where you're getting your information from but OP should be fine with the temperatures he's seeing under load, especially with the CPU cooler he's using. 68c is actually well under the thermal junction for a 7700 which is 100c as per Intel's specs.
Great build by the way mmrtnt55, love the color scheme and driving wheel!
Unfortunate about the scammed GPU but other than that it's a solid build, I've always like semi-cubed cubed cased like the Bitfenix Prodigy and Corsair Air 240 lol
I would however recommend changing your description to reflect what you've learned about the GPU, you'll be getting a lot of comments about it otherwise. Mostly this part in particular:
"i used a cheap , no-name brand 1gb 750ti ( yes , those exist ) from china for about $30 USD"
Believe it or not you don't have to return the item to get the refund, there's a pretty easy process for reporting the item as a fake and getting your money back. Just check eBay or briefly google how others that got scammed the same way received a refund.
Believe it or not people will still use older hardware (that's perfectly capable) for builds these days, it's a good way to save money in the minefield of GPU/DRAM pricing.
REF: Check out any of my budget builds, they all have used parts and work great for someone on a budget.
Only if you pair it with a first generation i7 LOL
This build... I dig this build! Excellent write up and amazing pictures, great job!
Sure, lots of people buy both but what I've been saying from the beginning is that it wasn't in the budget.
Great "suggestion" though it seemed more like you said that it was more of a requirement from your original comment.
"great build but needs a ssd"
I tend to agree that a "cheap 50$ ssd" would have been a "nice to have" in this build but like I said before, it's not necessary at this price point. If I were making a build with leftover parts from an HP that I didn't have to pay money for then I would have definitely used an SSD or even gone with a newer GPU but as it stands I had to buy all of the parts separately for a specific budget.
Additionally, having a "cheap 50$ ssd" would significantly sacrifice the amount of space available for games, we're talking about an SSD that is 12% the capacity of a 1TB drive. The performance difference (specifically in gaming) of going to an SSD was simply not worth the sacrifice in capacity, no matter how quickly the OS boots up.
I have two 1TB SSD's in RAID 0 my main rig and while it's nice to see the computer boot super quick and games load marginally faster it's not viable in a budget system, it's important to make that distinction when building computers for clients.
Thanks! Yeah, it should play GW2 pretty well, I haven't run benchmarks but from what I know about GTX 770 performance it should be more than enough.
The prices on the parts are the prices I paid, I either purchased them used on eBay/reddit or in the case of the HDD, PSU and Case I bought them new lol
Definitely doesn't but thanks for the feedback! 7200RPM HDD speeds are more than enough for budget gaming, especially in the $400 price range lol
Absolutely, it's actually being used by a 12 year old right now and he's been playing PUBG constantly. You could definitely get over 100FPS in Fortnite but you would have to bump some settings down to achieve that, which isn't too bad considering Fortnite runs at low-medium settings on console.
Builds like this aren't without compromise though, that's why it was only $400. If you wanted to upgrade any of the parts I would say the DRAM would be first, 8GB is pretty much required for un-optimized games like PUBG. The GPU is pretty much the best thing you can get at this price point in the current market since crypto currency miners have had such a negative impact on pricing. The CPU is pretty much the last thing I would upgrade but if you're looking at streaming on Twitch while gaming then it might be more important than the GPU; getting something like an i5-4690 or i7-4790 (non-overclockable) would be a must for multitasking workloads.
No worries, you don't sound idiotic! Yeah, this ran games great, I would recommend having at least 8GB of DRAM though if you plan on playing PUBG since it tends to be a memory hog. The family I sold it to upgraded the RAM pretty much immediately but now he's playing PUBG, Trucking Simulator and all other sorts of games with no issues in 1080p lol
Thanks man, that means a lot! Yeah, it's unfortunate that GTX 770's were affected by the GPUpocalypse but if you're persistent I think you still might be able to find one for around $80-$100 hopefully!
Absolutely, I'm glad you were a little bit inspired! This website is a great resource for putting something like this together!
Yup, it's a scrappy little CPU, does an admirable job!