Yeah, no reason to overclock these Ryzen chips. The First gen you can say is worth overclocking since most will make it to 3.9-4.0, which is over single core boost. Second gen and third gen not so much. Just turn off the FPS counter and enjoy your system. Its not going to make much of a difference for a few extra mhz all core boosts.
What are you trying to ask other than seeing if we notice some issues with the build? My only concern is the RX VEGA 64 with a 550w psu in a very small case. Something like a GTX 1070TI or RTX 2060 would be better in a smaller case IMO. I assume you already own the card though?
3k is overpriced IMO. You can buy a new prebuilt system from ibuypower for $2700 or custom for the same price +tax. This craiglist build has good parts but its a sloppy build and probably doesn’t have all the warranties that would go along with the parts. Buying a full system from someone IMO is a terrible idea. If you were to price out a used system off ebay you could probably build a system for a lot less. This is a typical craiglist scam but not that bad of one.
Most id offer is 2k and see if the guy buys it. If he doesnt id just move on and let someone else get screwed.
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Things i dislike about this build is the cooler. No need to spend that much on a cooler and limit yourself to only 16 gigs of ram. Also, i personally wouldnt buy that motherboard as you can find plenty better boards for a lot less that are still good.
Yes it will work, but why is your case the most expensive piece of hardware you are buying? I wouldnt spend $80 on a case to fill it with all very budget parts. Spend less on the case and up the CPU/GPU.
They are asking you to make something like this. I wouldn't buy a Ryzen 3 1200 and pair it with very, well bad overpriced GPU (GT 710). Integrated GPU will probably give you a better performance and you are getting 8 threads instead of 4.
PCPARTPICKER doesnt have this chip 1600 AF listed on their site.
Plus, like every benchmark is paired with a RTX 2080 TI. Very unlikely someone would spend $1200 on a GPU and buy a $200 cpu. Any GPU less than a 2080 TI the fps become even closer to each other.
100% agree with this statment. Why spend $85+ tax when you can just pick up a 1700-1800X for $100-120. if you are afraid of used, then pick up the 2700 for $150. $15-50 lands you 2 extra cores and 4 threads. Im not sure why anyone would be looking at a 6c/12t cpu anymore?
Turn off the FPS counter and enjoy the buttery smooth game play. Lets be real, no one should be buying an AMD 6 core cpu to pair it with anything above a 2060 Super.
Do you want to spend more and have next to no issues with drivers and have the best performance? 2070S
Or do you want to spend less and have kind of sort of performance with some driver issues that might take a while to be fixed? 5700XT
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK or MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX
Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S
no problem!!!! Good luck with everything!
doesnt really matter for SSD. Anything would be a huge upgrade on what you currently have. Just get something that crucial, Western Digital, Intel, Samsung, ADATA and Sabrent. Just check our reviews and see if its something youd want to spend. No need to get a 970 evo as they are the best but not worth the extra cash IMO.
Since I’m using a GTX 1660 super. Having either a 2600 or 3600 won’t give you more FPS because the GPU will be the bottleneck in most scenarios. Though, you will have more of a upgrade path using a 3600 if you were planning to buy a RTX 2080 ti (like) in the future. Just go on youtube and compair the 2600 vs 3600. Youll notice with using a 2080 TI the 3600 pretty much only does about 20-30 fps more in games using the best GPU available.
I didnt realize you already owned RAM
Yeah, Ryzen is great and it’s nice to have all the extra cores and threads but for pure gaming you won’t be getting more FPS with a similar GPU. What benchmarks won’t show is that the games will run smoother with more cores and threads giving an edge to Ryzen 5.
The GPU id probably look at is either budget GTX 1660 super. That performs like a GTX 1070/Vega 56 or a RTX 2060 super. Though IMO the RTX 2060 super/RX 5700 is a lot more expensive and might not be worth the extra money to pair with a i5-6600k. Those would be the highest option I’d recommend. The RX 5700 from what I’ve read has been having a lot of driver issues but I don’t have any personal experience with that card.
Honestly, you probably wouldn't notice much of a difference in gaming or normal desktop experience between a 2600 and 6600k. Why not just upgrade to a SSD and buy yourself a better GPU and just keep the motherboard CPU combo? What are you trying to do with your system instead of just gaming?
You could easily just sell the 1050 TI and upgrade to something like a RX 5700 or something. Id probably say RTX 2060 Super but that might be just a little overkill for the system and is still $400!! Could also upgrade to a used GTX 1070 TI which would be a huge upgrade and not kill the bank.
Where do you have your current build listed?
You really don’t want to be using a A320 motherboard with Ryzen 3000 let alone not having a bios flashback option. You'd need Ryzen 1000 or 2000 to even upgrade the bios. Not worth the headache when you can just get a B450 for $20 more.
No need for a cooler when the stock cooler is good enough.
I totally recommend getting an SSD as your entire experience will be so much better.
Please don’t invest in a stock cooler vega. They run hot and super loud. Plus, your PSU would need an upgrade if you really actually want to go that route. Also, I’d look at used vegas over new as you can find them around $200. Then again you can find a GTX 1070 for $200 as well. I used the GTX 1660 Super because it’s just about as good as vega 56 for a lot less of issues and better drivers.
You also might be wondering why I’m using the 2600 instead of the 3600. Well you won’t notice a difference using a budget friendly GPU. If you were going to use something like a 2070 or better and it puts you out of your budget. Yes, Ryzen 3000 is good but its not that much better for 40% more money especially when you are on a budget. IMO I’d go the 2600 plus a ssd(m.2) vs 3600 mechanical drive all day long.
Yeah if its AMD you have to sell it quick. Intel still holds a value. I just sold a 1700X about a week ago for $115. So i guess i made out if the 2700X is going for roughly that. I guess another reason to buy last gen stuff to not have a huge loss on resale.
What everyone forgets to mention is that the GPU is the most important factor with gaming. The 2700X will be a smoother experience in a more CPU intensive game that demands more threads. The 3600/3600X will give you more FPS with a higher end GPU (2080TI). Though IMO if you are buying a mid-range CPU why would you buy a RTX 2080/TI? So with a mid-range GPU like a 5700XT or 2070 super you will be roughly within 10+/- fps difference. Nothing that you'd notice and would be well over 100fps in most AAA games.
None of these CPU's are going to be that much better at gaming than the other. It really depends if that money saved going with a 2700X vs a 3600X can get you a better GPU.
If this was my money I'd just buy the 2700X and turn off the FPS counter and enjoy the system for years. Remember that within a year or so you could always just sell a 2700X roughly for $100-120 dollars and upgrade to a 3700X/3800X for about $160 during black friday 2020. I just feel like 8 cores 12 threads is going to be mainstream really really soon and 6 cores 12 threads will be minimums.
I just noticed that the sale is over for the 2700X being at $159.99. Though the Ryzen 7 2700 is still pretty cheap and would consider that option as well. Its honestly up to you if you want 8 cores or 6 cores. But id really build the system around the GPU first and see what budget you have left over for a total build. If you were looking at anything less than a 5700XT or 2070 super than either CPU would be fine and id actually even recommend a ryzen 5 2600 over a 3600.
Yes, you can upgrade the CPU but its not so much plug and play. You'll have to update the bios, which isn’t hard at all. Depending on your motherboard, you really shouldn’t have an issue with a 3600 or 3700X at later date or even a 2700X. The Ryzen 9 lineup is mostly for B450 and up and shouldn’t be installed on a B350 which I think you might have?
IMO that’s not a very balanced build unless you plan to eventually upgrade the CPU eventually. Probably best to just look at the 2060 super instead.
I don’t own Red Dead but I hear it’s a terrible port with a lot of issues. Best to look at reviews of system specs and see how it performs.
IMO if you aren’t using a RTX 2080 or above. You should just buy the 2700X and save your money. The extra cores and threads will give you a much smoother experience in specific games and future titles.
Also, in consideration if you buy the 2700X this year and use it for roughly a year or more. You'll be able to sell the CPU around $100 and upgrade to either a 3900X/3950X for probably pennies or whatever the 4000 series offers.
I 100% agree. A CPU upgrade isnt going to get you any added FPS unless its a very specific CPU intensive game. Best gains is a 2700X (Current deal is amazing) and a 2060 Super to be honest for 1440p gaming.
No this doesn’t affect the performance of the rest of the computer. What are you trying to accomplish that you want a high-end CPU and a very basic GPU? Most likely you probably won’t even need a 2700X and could get away with a 2400G and notice zero difference while saving money.
I've recently upgraded from a 1700X to a 2700X just due to the fact of black friday sale. In all honesty i dont even notice a differnce at all. When having a 1700X overclocked to 4.0 ghz you are within margin of a stock 2700X which has like zero overclocking room. So, id pick a 1700X ov a 2600 pretty much all the time. Youll notice that a 8 core 16 thread CPU wont stutter at all in more demanding games where as a 2600 might.
You need to provide more information than just a B450 without a CPU. What exact motherboard do you own?
If your pairing with any other GPU than the RTX 2080 TI. The Ryzen 2000 series is more then enough!
Just lower the graphic settings to low and you should have 200-300 fps. Unless you have mutiple applications running in the background.
That game just seems like a nightmare! I'm going to stay away from that for a while.
agree with buying a used 4970K if you just wanted a slight boost.
Are you set on Intel? The Ryzen 7 3700X would be a good option as well, expecially for streaming due to the extra threads.
Id stay away from the reference models. The Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 8 GB PULSE Video Card is a good option. I just wouldn't spend more than $360 because you can eventually buy a RX 5700XT for a little more.
see thats the point. Its very much a hit or miss type of thing with the lower cards. Its a nice feature but if im spending $400 dollars I should just turn the game on and play IMO. It's going to be a while before this tech really becomes worth it IMO. Then again im one of those people that like to turn all the graphics to low for the smoothest game play available and mostly only play fps games.
If you want to spend at most $350 then the RX 5700 is your only option. This card out performs VEGA 56/64 plus just newer tech. I dont own a vega card but i know you can get some amazing performance out of it with tweaking. Though, do you want to tweak or just plug and play?
As for ray-tracing, we dont know what AMD is going to do? If you look at NVIDIA on how they've handled ray-tacing, then youd need a RTX 2080/TI to get roughly 60fps with that stuff turned on for 1080p gaming. Its a great technology but you really need a good card to run this stuff. Since your budget is the new middle teir level i'd not even care to bother but thats IMO. Your only other option is a RTX 2060 super and thats going to increase your price a bit.
The 2700X at stock boosts pretty close to max overclock you'd get anyways. Id just keep that thing stock and let turbo boost do all the work. An extra 150 mhz for all core boost isnt going to make a huge deal.
Yeah, I’m not sure why they would release anything new. NAVI just came out and has driver issues and basically just challenges the RTX 2070 super. AMD doesn’t have anything to compete with the 2080 or let along the 2080TI. So, this super is basically a Band-Aid to hold off for another year or a year and half. This is of course all IMO. Also, they still need to release more games that support Ray Tracing.
Since NVIDIA and AMD released new cards. I'd Expcet NVIDIA to milk the super cards for sometime. I wouldnt be surprised if NVIDIA doesnt realese a card till 2021 in the spring.
Yeah as long as you can buy one under $100. It's still plently for 1080p gaming with like medium/high detail.
If I was on a budget, I'd pick up the 2700X over the 3600 just due to the fact that you probably won’t notice a difference in FPS in games. Most of those benchmarks you see online are paired with the RTX 2080 TI which is a beast of a card and not budget friendly. If most of those benchmarks were paired with an RTX 2060 Super/RTX 2070 or lower, you wouldn’t see a difference in FPS. So, if it was me id pick the 8 core 6 thread chip and enjoy for years. Can always upgrade to something better years down the road second hand like a 3900X off eBay when those are dirt cheap.
Youre right and currently the X370 boards are working off beta bios which most people whouldnt want to touch expecially someone not super tech savvy. The Z390 is a very mature platform and pretty much zero tweaks for the end user. I've always been an intel fan but they just need to implement HT on all CPU's IMO.
No future CPU's to be released. So yes Z390 was released and nothing new is going to be supported on it. AMD released X370 and you can throw any CPU into that board up till 2020.
Either is $40 dollars more for a Ryzen 7 2700 or even better $25 dollars more for the 1700X. IMO I look at budget CPU's basically just to give you video and a decent performance. Both of those CPU's will need a dedicated GPU which in most senerios will cost more then the CPU. Why not compair the 2200G vs 9100? Thats where the real budget is at for a basic office PC that could game if you need it too.
Dont get me wrong the 9400F is a good CPU and you can pair that with a very highend GPU and get great frames. It's just 6 cores and its currently on a dead platform and your only upgrade is a $300+ CPU
The only argument you can have with AMD vs Intel for budget is that Intel offers integrated GPU with every CPU. AMD still is budget for pretty much anything else if you are looking for anything above 4 cores and a dedicated GPU. Plus no need to look at Ryzen 2 and X570 boards if you are on a budget.
IMO with 1080p gaming a RTX 2060 super, RTX 2070, RX 5700 or RX 5700XT would be a good pairing for that CPU. For 1440p i think you could go up to like a RTX 2080/2080 super. I wouldnt look at a 2080 TI unless you plan to upgrade the CPU.
Im not by any means a professional streamer with a huge amount of experience but eventually it becomes pointless to have a huge bitrate due to the size of the file. A Ryzen 7 should be able to stream X264 720p 60 FPS 3K-3.5K at medium presets. Now doing this will use a lot of your CPU usage and might hinder recoding. The X264 is still king for quality and low bit rate. NVENC is coming along nicely but you need a larger amount of bit rate to get a similar quality of stream. I personally don’t think you need anything more than say 10k for recording 1080p 60FPS but id just test it out and see how it looks. All the top streamers don’t use anything more then 10k on twitch and they look amazing IMO.
Like I said you could always use Twitch VOD’s to download your past streams and use some type of video decoder like handbrake to increase the quality. I guess you really need to figure out if you want to focus more on youtube or twitch. It sucks that twitch wont allow you to change presets unless you are an affiliate. Id check out EposVox if you’ve never heard of him. He seems really intelligent with OBS and stuff.
Why not stream using X264 with 3k-3.5k at fast to twitch and record using nvenc with like 10k bitrate. I don’t think you need 40k, that just seems super unnecessary. What games are you trying to play because some specific games will actually use a lot of your CPU just to game and if you are trying to record and stream then you might be hitting a limit. I know twitch does record all your streams and you can always download them and edit and upload up to youtube. Though I assume you are a small streamer and trying to stream at anything above 720p 60fps can hurt your stream from gaining popularity with high bitrate. This is due to ppl not having the best internet. Id just focus on streaming to twitch and downloading past streams and edit for youtube.
haha well IMO and this is just IMO. The i9-9900k is just a better gaming CPU and would give you more FPS with the 2080TI but its not like its night and day more. Plus, once you go to say 1440p or 4k it doesnt make a difference what you buy. The biggest reason to go with AMD is that they have and upgradable path with a 16 core chip and whatever else comes out next year.
Whatever you choose you will have a solid CPU for years! You cant make a wrong decision with either.