I was actually goong to say the same thing you did and I own a 5700xt. I play at 1440p 90+fps though.
Its a great card for the 1440p territory. But 4k? Nope. Also 4k is a gimmick in my opinion thst really doesnt offer more than 1440p.
If it cannot get a regular 3dmark run done with consistancy than I would contact Sapphire and RMA. The chance of a defect if fairly high.
Another option would be to physiclly open the card and inspect the pcb, re apply thermal compound, and re seat the hear sink.
If you are going to go with a 5700xt choose one of these
Ones NOT to get
The evoke has some of the worst memory thermal pads I have ever seen.
The THICC models have more plastic furnishing on them than heat sink material.
If you want to see for yourself, look up Gamers Nexus. They did a very detailed overview of most 5700xt models.
If you want to save on the cpu, get a Ryzen 3700 or 3800. They will preform very well for the task at hand, come with a decent box cooler, and overall easier to cool.
Also make sure your motherboard can support the RAM you pick. Check the manufacturer QVL list for that motherboard. Not all boards can properly support above 3200 speeds.
I dont think a 360 rad AIO will even fit properly in a Mechify C. Great case but its very compact. Keep that in mind.
You can underclock, but the factory settings should be just fine.
There is tools yes for total system usage but most are unreliable. The best way would to get a power meter and see how much power you are pulling from the wall.
Morherboard compatability comes down to a few iteams, but as your board is recent, these should not be an issue.
Your top PCI-E slot should be x16, your mobo manual will confirm.
The slot should be PCI-E 3.0 and no reason for it not to be.
Run DDU before you install it. Display driver uninstaller. It gets rid of all display drivers and makes a clean slate for the new device.
I have a 650 watt psu as well and it supports a ryzen 5 1600 and a rx 5700xt so you should be good there.
It probably will produce more heat, but should not be too much more. I dont know the numbers off hand but just look up reviews on that specific model and you will find the details.
Its been 11 days since I asked to run a simple graphics test to try and start narrowing things down instead of blindly guessing. I would say the same thing for you. Run a stress test like 3d mark or whatever you think is appropriate, and make sure the card can pass. That will at least narrow things down.
Run 3d mark TimeSpy for me, idc about score just want it to finish.
I own this exact card and have had zero issues with Destiny 2. Almost 80 hours put in since they moved to Steam
Odyssey is a unoptimized mess of a game.
Red Dead probably will be in a bad place too based on Rockstar’s history with GTAV optimization.
Cyberpunk? Anybody’s guess but will probably be very well optimized.
Anyway I play at max settings, 1440p, 144hz
Currently own a Radeon RX 5700xt Sapphire Pulse using latest drivers as of writing
Before this card, I had a MSI Radeon Rx 580 Armor Oc
My experience has been nothing short of excellent. In the games I play, Borderlands 3, Destiny 2, Warframe, Eve Online, Factorio, and Satisfactory I have had only one major issue, with Borderlands 3’s Bx12 mode. I belive thats a game issue and not drivers
I must be one of the lucky ones then, I have been having very few issues with my 5700xt. Games like Destiny 2, BL3, Warframe, etc run properly. I do have issues with Dx12 in BL3 but thats a game implemention issue I believe.
Red Devil is a good pick, one of the top preformers. I personally have the Sapphire Pulse model because of inventory and I liked it. So why not?
I would avoid the Evoke from MSI and the THICC II from XFX though. Both have had issues
Evoke. First released with far too small thermal pads on the memory resulting in overheating. Very simple mistake and no idea if its corrected yet.
thicc II. Uses stainless steel as the contact plate....also the card’s size is mostly plastic furnishings. The hear sink is far smaller than it should be visually. Its just an optical illusion to make you think its better.
Other than those two, havent heard many issues of the other models out there.
*My knowladge comes from the following sources
Sapphire Pulse owner here. Love this card
There are some models you should just not to get
MSI Evoke oc - initially came with too small memory chip thermal pads. IF its fixed, its a good option. IF not, avoid
XFX - Thicc II - has fan control problems, and temps are much higher than it should be. Card also uses a smaller heat sink than you would expect, and a stainless steel contact plate which is the worst choice.
Gigabyte, Sapphire, Asus, Powercolor are all wonderful options for their 5700xt’s.
I cannot say yes or no on the Asrock cards as I have not seen one reviewed yet.
What all have in common:
They all preform the same, or similar. This is a limitation AMD put, so overclocking is limited on these cards
What is the difference?
The difference is noise, thermals, and creature comforts like bios switches.
One of the best places for thorough 5700xt comparisons is Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed.
As a Radeon rx 5700xt Sapphire Pulse owner, I can second this.
Mine gets to its boost clock of 2054 with ease, and maxed its memory to 950mhz ( highest it will let me)
VR ready is nothing more than a marketing tag line. It quite literally means nothing.
You want to look at the system requirements for whatever VR implimentation you want to use and use those specification recommendations. If its better then your good.
A 5700xt, especially a high end one like the red devil preforms very close to 2070Super levels.
Thats why I said it the way I did. It could be the game, or drivers, or any combination.
In the end just added it to show both good and bad experiences, trying to be as forthcoming as possible.
I can give feedback as a 5700xt owner.
Exact model: Sapphire Pulse 5700xt
System: Ryzen 1600 @ 4.1ghz, 16gb of 3200 ram
Connected to a 1440p, 165hz monitor.
I play currently:
In Factorio and Warframe, the card preforms remarkably, usually above 100fps at least.
In BL3, I get 60 to 70 fps at 1440p ultra (motion blur off, dx11 mode as dx12 doesnt like me)
I have crashed twice in bl3, but have no idea if its the driver or game’s fault honestly.
My card also is undervolted by -50mv, kept stock max core clock of 2054, and boosted memory to its max of 950mhz
Aah, oops. Was mostly going off memory of the apu’s. Swore 2400g was 6 core, aah well. Learn and move on
Hmm thats quite rare for that power level, nice then!
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Most B450 micro ATX boards suck, sadly the MSI Mortar is one of the few good ones. This ITX board is quite good even though bit more pricey
Switched you to a rx 5709xt. Cheaper than most 2070 Supers and competes in between a 2070 and 2070 super on the scales
No matter what you do a 550w psu wont be enough. These cards no matter what you pick need two PCI power connectors, most 550w psu’s do not have that. This Corsair rxm unit is the same one I use and it hasnt gone wrong
You cant go wrong with the Taichi line
Ooh, sorry forget the fan, was for another recommendation
Wait for a deal on a 9900k if you want to go that path, the kf is a scam in my opinion. It gives nothing new but “promised” 5 ghz out of the box. A specification a 9900k already has (with just a few minutes of BIOS tweaking)
Thats the fans I use and I love them. Not flashy, etc, but work extremely well for my cooling needs. Only con is the cables are short.
Did you use the right mobo standoffs for an ITX board?
Just get a normal 9900k. The kf is a ripoff. Vast majority of 9900k’s can hit 5ghz very easily.
If you want to see an example AMD build in use, check out my completed build.
I am also in the process of upgrading to a rx 5700xt which preforms competitively with a RTX 2070 / 2070S.
And actually there is an error in that reply. Third gen Ryzen is not tied to X570. You can get a Ryzen 3000 cpu to work on any B350/450, X370/470 board as long as the BIOS is sufficiently updated so it can recognize third gen. For example the 3600 has the same power requirements, 65 Watt TDP as the 1600. So, for me as an example, I can just simply update my motherboard’s BIOS and slot in the new processor and have zero issues. The only thing you miss out of not using X570 is PCIe 4.0 which means nothing for many, many, many years. Not even the RTX titan or quadro cards can saturate a PCIe 3.0 16 lane slot yet.
And on the intel side, Z370 is still a viable option if you can find a good deal.
I understand that, what I was trying to convey is if you time it right you have a good chance of grabbing an aib card. They are manufacturing on a weekly basis, but as soon as aib models hit store stocks they are sold quite quickly.
G stands for an APU unit, they have integrated graphics
X simply means its a better binned chip that should boost slightly easier
Non X are still overclockable, all Ryzen processors are unlocked.
To farther expand,
Aka the higher the number the greater the cores and threads, and newer versions have better clocks than previous versions.
Also Sapphire is supposed to release the Nitro+ cards on the 16th. Should be a decent supply then.
Ray tracing wont be a real, mainstream feature for many, many years. Look at whats already supported.
Minecraft, Quake, full rayteaced. Those are ancient titles by today’s standards though
Shadow OTR, BV5, SWBFII(modern) all use raytracjng but its not even done well. All three titles do it differently and each is only limited to light reflections, which is only a portion of ray tracing.
Also the other RTX feature, DLSS, is virtually dead before it even got any attraction. Virtually no games support it and Nvidia themselves seem to not like it.
Also if your not buying a 2080 or above, the RT cores in the 2060 and 2070 series cards simply are not that good.
Im not saying its bad, but that tech is a long way off of maturity, and great chance that the current turing design may not even be compatible with future raytracing. Nobody can be for certain though.
Tldr, dont count out cards without raytracing just for that reason.
All I can say to the Mugen’s preformance is that is capable of keeping my Ryzen 5 160 cool under extreme stress tests. For example over a year ago I stressed my cpu using PRIME 95 for a full 24 hour period. The hottest the CPU package reached was 72c. Temps recorded with HW Monitor and NZXT Cam. The CPU was operating at 4.1ghz on a 1.3v overclock.
And what made it even more impressive was I could barely hear the fans spinning when I inspected the machine.
I dont have the Funa 2, but one of its cousins, the Scythe Mugen 5 rev B. If the Fuma is of the same quality than it will be one of the better coolers out there.
70c under load is quite good. Keep in mind TJmax ( the max before thermal throttling) is usually 100c for a gpu in general. So you are doing well.
Play around with fan curves, different fan configurations, etc but your in a good place at least.
What I meant is that a laptop cannot handle the extra heat generated from an overclocked part. Most laptops keep the components cool under load but with zero head room.
The psu fan is an intake and should always be face down as long as the case allows it ( in this case it does). This segregates the pau from the rest of the case thermals wise.
I would remove the two top fans. The flow of air should be front to back and since hot air rises, it wants to escape from the top. Thats why there is always a rear fan mount on any case.
I would do one of two things
The dynamics of how air travels through a case is just as important.
This is a teardown video for the 1080ti. It is from Gamers Nexus, one of the best PC youtube channels out there.
Edit, didnt see laptop. Nvm.
Yes never oc a laptop gpu. It will overheat easy.
Install MSI Afterburner if you have not and use its fan curve feature to change when fans increase in rpm.
Also look through your system bios. There should be fan curves for system and cpu fans. Adjust accordingly to your needs.
Speaking of case fans, I dont know your setup (forgive me if I missed it) but the best setup is fans pulling air in from the front and exhausting out the back.
The Focus G can support 6 fans total
With that in mind I would recommend populating the front slots with two good quality 140mm fans, 1 120mm in the rear for exhaust, and consider another 120mm on the bottom blowing air directly onto your gpu.
Your monitor uses freesynch adaptive technology. That feature is what allows you to get over 60 fps usually. You got a few hurdles.
Why not consider a 5700xt? The board partner models report preformance in between the 2070 and 2070s at around $400 - $420 USD.
Im a fan of Fractal Design. Id recommend looking into one of their many wonderful offerings
I personally use a Define S in an airflow configuration and love it. Check my completed build for many pictures of the case.
Get a kit of G skill Flare X 3200 Cl14, or other 3200 CL14 kit.
The extra 4 pin is actually useless. The 8 pin eps that you should be using can handle up to 380 watts of power. You will need a 3900x or higher to even get close, and you would have to have it manually overclocked to the max as well.
The 4 pin is only needed for extreme overclocking. Also the vrm on that board will melt long before you reach the maximums the 8 pin can handle.
I just picked up this 5700xt for $409 on Newegg. Its out of stock now but far cheaper than a 2060 super, 2070, or 2070 super, and preforms in the middle of a 2070 and 2070 super. And the pulse isnt even the best version Sapphire makes.
Found this on Newegg. The price is the attractive bit, has all I want, but is TN. On that note, my current monitor is also TN, so at least used to it.
Well, the upgrade will move it to 480, but thanks for the peace of mind :)
Got mine for about $50. They could have charged $80 and it would be still worth it. Amazes me how the Mugen 5 competes with the big dogs like Dark Rock 4, NH D15, etc
Yes, my 1600 runs perfectly, was more out of curiosity than anything else.
Mine runs at 4.1ghz @ 1.3v
From my experience, Powercolor and Sapphire do the best job on AIB Radeon cards. And both of their 5700xt cards are very good.
Dont get the evoke from MSI though. Its loud in comparison.
I personally use the Scythe Mugen 5 rev B on my Ryzen 1600. Its one of the most impressive coolers I have ever seen.
Its gigabyte. Sadly thats your answer. Gigabyte products are cheaper for a reason. They are the lowest end for the most part.